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A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« on: November 17, 2017, 07:36:05 AM »
I really didn't want this to turn into another "bashing thread" and was hoping we could stick to discussing realistic positive changes to help Washington's mule deer.  Unfortunately, it is difficult to discuss the management of our fish and wildlife without certain topics coming up.

I had originally proposed that we end the harvest of mule deer does and was looking for ideas as to how we could get the regulations changed. Small changes in the right direction could have a big influence for the future of our mule deer herd. I deleted my original post because by the second page of this thread I was already responding to comments that I felt distracted from the intent of the original message.

Anyway, there are some great ideas being tossed around. Carry on with the discussion.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2017, 09:31:26 PM by GoldenRing270 »

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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2017, 08:16:51 AM »
 :yeah:

The first thing wildlife managers do in other states to reduce a population or slow population growth is to increase antlerless harvest. Take antlerless harvest away and herds will grow.

This is especially needed after a hard winter greatly reduces herds.
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2017, 08:19:21 AM »
I am all for ANY LOGICAL changes to how mule deer are managed. Every year I think about one of my old man's favorite sayings

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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2017, 08:26:34 AM »
 But, but........that will throw the buck to doe ratio off......and, and.....I don't care about antlers, I just want the meat.....so don't take away my opportunity.....or, or.....I have to hunt every year, I don't care.

 I remember a thread a few years ago where several members, bone and myself included, were chastised by members on this forum for admitting that our families.......for years, purchased doe tags.......and never filled one of them.

 It will be interesting to read the comments a few years later, when someone suggests removing opportunity for everyone.
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2017, 08:54:32 AM »
I'm all in on what ever it takes to fix Washington mule deer populations but they haven't allowed does to be taken in the entire 300 series gmus for over a decade and that population is still declining. I really feel more drastic measures need to be taken.
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2017, 09:00:32 AM »
I'm in.
Draws for almost all eastside mule deer units on buck tags...God help me...like Oregon does.
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 09:04:11 AM »
I'm all in on what ever it takes to fix Washington mule deer populations but they haven't allowed does to be taken in the entire 300 series gmus for over a decade and that population is still declining. I really feel more drastic measures need to be taken.
Not all. There's a few gmu's that allow the harvest of does.

Just 342-364 if you aren't counting the Indians.
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2017, 09:12:31 AM »
We need serious predator control in the 300 units. Between the coyotes, cats , bears and wolves itís lucky anything has survived.


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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2017, 09:22:12 AM »
We need serious predator control in the 300 units. Between the coyotes, cats , bears and wolves itís lucky anything has survived.


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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2017, 09:23:55 AM »
I'm all in on what ever it takes to fix Washington mule deer populations but they haven't allowed does to be taken in the entire 300 series gmus for over a decade and that population is still declining. I really feel more drastic measures need to be taken.
Not all. There's a few gmu's that allow the harvest of does.

Just 342-364 if you aren't counting the Indians.
pretty sure 340 and 368 have no doe harvest either but regardless I think everyone knew the point I was trying to make.
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 09:29:22 AM »
I'm in.
Draws for almost all eastside mule deer units on buck tags...God help me...like Oregon does.

And they need to shut down roads lock gates in wintering grounds to slow down the slaughter by certain groups

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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2017, 09:35:37 AM »
 :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2017, 09:39:18 AM »
A organized plan is what we need, submit next year and maybe, just maybe at the next 3 year season setting process we could see our ideas proposed for the regs. A lot of work to do. A live document would be the way to go at the moment and then when we submit and show up it would help to look like this>>>
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2017, 09:43:22 AM »
I would be happy to travel to any location to take part in something similar to above
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2017, 09:44:12 AM »
So how do we make this happen?
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2017, 09:45:10 AM »
All this will acomplish is more deer for wolves and indians.  That's all. I think it needs to go to a draw system and the indians need to be shut down if you want to see herd growth. 

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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2017, 09:54:17 AM »
Yeah but your a tieton hillbilly  ;)
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2017, 11:05:19 AM »
Controlling the hunters and their seasons will not help,i pulled out a hunting pamphlet from 1978,i have them that far back,that year the season went from oct14-nov12, they gave out 500 permits in 218 chewak and 1300 in 224 pearrygin,we cannot change the winterkill, so what has changed, hound hunting has been stopped now couger roaming allover 2000-4000 estimated in state,1 couger could eat up all the permit deer in one area-and a common theme on here is tracks,tracks,tracks-WOLVES-WOLVES-WOLVES,cut out all hunting predators can expand faster.Before the predator problem animals were able to make a comeback even after a bad winter.

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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2017, 11:07:16 AM »
Where is the hard data on harvest by the state? Do they have a breakdown beyond just numbers? Surely when reporting they have some kind of breakdown.

I've only killed black tail. When doing online reporting do they ask species as well as sex and points? Obviously some units have whitetail and Mule deer.

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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2017, 11:13:21 AM »
I agree with taking away the doe tags for mule deer but I think we also need to go to a draw only for mule deer buck tags as well. Maybe then we can get some numbers back as well as size.
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2017, 11:22:45 AM »
I am for no doe harvest.
I am for no harvest of any mule deer period for three years.
I am for no 3 pt restriction, because I don't think that works.

I am against a draw only for mule deer, because I think that will kill hunting for a lot of hunters who want to hunt  with family and friends.
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2017, 11:24:56 AM »
Another idea is odd/even for mule deer...example-if your wild ID number ends in a odd number then you can hunt that year, if its even you hunt the next year, at least you could hunt muleys every other year compared to a draw where your at the mercy of getting your name drawn :dunno: also if you have numerous people in your camp chances are good that at least a couple will have tags one year and the others will have tags the next so you can still have your traditional camps, just extra cooks and extra spotters each year :chuckle:....  just a thought that I,ve kicked around for awhile. And of coarse, no doe tags, special permit tags OR late quality tags in areas that mule deer herds are hurting or have been on the decline (THE METHOW FOR EXAMPLE)
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2017, 11:43:59 AM »
All this will acomplish is more deer for wolves and indians.  That's all. I think it needs to go to a draw system and the indians need to be shut down if you want to see herd growth.
:yeah: the natives (yakamas)provided deer and elk weekly to the biggest poacher in our stateís history.  Chances are pretty good that someone took his place after he got caught, and the supply probably hasnít slowed down.  We need guys like plat to run his tribe and actually enforce their own laws about selling meat! And actually having harvest limits. Zero limits on deer and elk is beyond stupid!
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2017, 11:47:52 AM »
Iím not saying itís  all the tribes fault, I believe wolves are a big problem as well. Iíve always thought if you canít beat them join them, how about we open up everything over the counter in the 300 units and we kill everything. If the Indians Donít have anything more to harvest maybe then they will come to the table with some sort of agreement. And I am not advocating poaching and Iím not all for this Iím just saying what do you think about this idea, is there any other way to get some cooperation with the tribes?
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Re: A Proposal for Washington's Mule Deer
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2017, 11:51:29 AM »
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