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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #150 on: December 07, 2017, 09:01:03 AM »
Here in lies the problem:
WDFW is monitoring big game populations, predator-prey relationships, and hunter harvest closely. If any ungulate population falls 25 percent below its population objective for two consecutive years, and/or if hunter harvest decreases by 25 percent below the 10-year average harvest rate for two consecutive years, WDFW may consider reducing wolf abundance in affected areas, where applicable with federal law.As prescribed by the state’s Wolf Conservation and Management Plan, if wolf predation became a primary limiting factor for an “at risk” ungulate population in a wolf recovery region that had at least four successful breeding pairs of wolves, WDFW could consider reducing wolf abundance in the localized area. An “at risk” ungulate population is any federal or state listed species (Selkirk Mountain woodland caribou, Columbian white-tailed deer) or any ungulate population that falls 25 percent below its population objective for two consecutive years, and/or if hunter harvest decreases by 25 percent below the 10-year average harvest rate for two consecutive years. 

Their population objective is WAY, WAY below what it should be.

We’ll have to see the harvest numbers, but I bet the Methow is probably already there.

Any way to verify their numbers? ...Add a couple here ..a few there.. still no harvest decrease...Call me crazy but my tin foil hat says it might be possible. I'm working on a tin foil suit to go with my hat.


Might need a few more studies.....

Do We Really Need More Collaring To Know Predators Kill?

http://tomremington.com/2015/02/17/do-we-really-need-more-collaring-to-know-predators-kill/

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #151 on: December 07, 2017, 05:53:27 PM »
The wolves kill with no regard, why don't the wolf predators kill with no regard?

If there are no wolves there then you can't shoot them right? Must be extra large coyotes.
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #154 on: December 08, 2017, 10:51:11 PM »
Seriously, someone actually believed that enough to put it to print.  I guess we can start to see where the former inhabitants of the Western State Mental Hospitol got employment.  Freaking IDIOTS.  We photographed fresh wolf tracks between Ardenvoir and Leavenworth during late archery, Roaring Ridge to be exact.  But I'm sure they don't count either.
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #155 on: December 08, 2017, 11:26:35 PM »
There used to be signs with wolf track pictures up the entiat wanting people to report them. A long time ago.

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #157 on: December 21, 2017, 12:55:16 PM »
Seriously, someone actually believed that enough to put it to print.  I guess we can start to see where the former inhabitants of the Western State Mental Hospitol got employment.  Freaking IDIOTS.  We photographed fresh wolf tracks between Ardenvoir and Leavenworth during late archery, Roaring Ridge to be exact.  But I'm sure they don't count either.

It's not that the people putting it to print believed it... it's that those people know that much of the general population will believe their BS propaganda and therefore, support their cause.  Anyone can commission a "study" these days to support a specific political agenda or belief.

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #158 on: December 21, 2017, 02:44:11 PM »
This report was brought up at the GMAC meeting on the ninth, they said that it was based solely on harvest reports and that the state legislature had required them to put it together with what ever data they had available at the time. The report was a year old when it was finally released. They admitted that it relied on very poor data to make the assumption that wolves weren't affecting ungulate herds. They said that they only released it due to pressure from public groups that somehow knew about it.

Part of the problem is that they waited 5 years after the wolf recovery plan was approved to start putting together estimates of the number of existing ungulates, (deer, elk and moose), this is like closing the barn door after the horse is gone, the wolves have had all those years to reduce the number of prey species so now we won't be able to show proof that they have affected prey numbers in a negative way. Good job WDFW. :bdid:

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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #159 on: December 22, 2017, 06:25:07 AM »
What do you expect from a liberal run Department? Delay the management and then twist the facts to bust their agenda. I do not trust any of these game department people, liars just like the main stream media.
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Re: Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?
« Reply #160 on: December 28, 2017, 10:14:24 PM »
Scary!

 

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