collapse
Visit R&R Calls

Author Topic: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme  (Read 2167 times)

Offline Ridgeratt

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2008
  • Posts: 3479
Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« on: December 01, 2017, 02:00:56 PM »
Just finished reading this and seems to give credence to why we should get off our thumbs to protect the deer population.

http://www.predatorxtreme-digital.com/Dec2017#&pageSet=8&contentItem=0

Not sure if it will link


« Last Edit: December 01, 2017, 02:13:52 PM by Ridgeratt »

Offline GoldenRing270

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Tracker
  • **
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 68
  • Location: Methow
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2017, 04:04:23 PM »
Great info, thanks for posting it up.

Offline wolftrapper

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • ***
  • Join Date: Dec 2013
  • Posts: 194
  • Location: Eastern
  • Groups: RMEF Pheasants Forever NRA
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2017, 04:27:38 PM »
A wildlife biologist told me that every coyote killed saves two fawns next spring.

Offline Ridgeratt

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2008
  • Posts: 3479
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2017, 09:39:35 PM »
A wildlife biologist told me that every coyote killed saves two fawns next spring.

I see everyone pointing fingers about ideas to increase the deer numbers, But if only half the members of this forum shot 2 how much would this help the deer population.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2017, 05:06:14 AM by Ridgeratt »

Offline Oh Mah

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+8)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2015
  • Posts: 3381
  • Location: Central Washington/Central Montana
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2017, 10:37:46 PM »
per coyote 40 deer per year(this is a number from the net,i dont think its even close so we will go in half just because).if only 50 members on this forum took 10 coyotes this winter that would save 100,000 deer from coyotes next year alone.

Problem:if we took 500 coyotes then the coyotes are going to produce more than usual to get their numbers back up.

Solution:Get out there,take everyone you can and don't stop,Every year.
"Boss of the woods"
(this is in reference to the biggie not me).

Offline Sitka_Blacktail

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2011
  • Posts: 2451
  • Location: Hoquiam, WA
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2017, 12:06:16 AM »
per coyote 40 deer per year(this is a number from the net,i dont think its even close so we will go in half just because).if only 50 members on this forum took 10 coyotes this winter that would save 100,000 deer from coyotes next year alone.

Problem:if we took 500 coyotes then the coyotes are going to produce more than usual to get their numbers back up.

Solution:Get out there,take everyone you can and don't stop,Every year.

Only problem with your plan is the numbers. I've seen estimates of 50,000 coyotes living in this state (honestly I would guess more) . At 40 deer apiece per year, that would be 2 million deer eaten each year by coyotes. With an estimated deer population of 300,000, that is an impossible toll.  Part of the "figuring" problem is, over 70% of a coyote's diet is rodents, birds, and vegetation such as berries.  They are very opportunistic. I'm sure a big part of their diet is roadkill. I'm not saying coyotes aren't a serious killer of deer, especially fawns, I'm just saying the number isn't close to what you posted.
A man who fears suffering is already suffering from what he fears. ~ Michel de Montaigne

Offline Oh Mah

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+8)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2015
  • Posts: 3381
  • Location: Central Washington/Central Montana
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2017, 12:19:04 AM »
yeah on the 70% part thats why i said half and still over. theres nothing wrong with what i said.these same peoples numbers say that coyotes take around 30% of the deer.the rest is vehicles,cougars,and nutrition. :tup:

when i said 500 it was just a number from maybe members here.
"Boss of the woods"
(this is in reference to the biggie not me).

Offline nwwanderer

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 1641
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2017, 07:09:53 AM »
Thanks for the link, worked fine.  No reason to stop taking them but do not expect great change is my book report.  I agree, lots of variables.

Offline AWS

  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2007
  • Posts: 1773
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2017, 10:52:24 AM »
Being an avid coyote hunter, with out having trapping in this state, shooters will not make much of a dent in the coyote population.  In the past 10 yrs the coyotes have been hunted hard in the Desert Wildlife area and there are just as many or more than 10 years ago.

There is another good article abou predator control in the las issue of "Predator Nation"
After the first shot the rest are just noise.

Make mine a Minaska

Offline jackmaster

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 7015
  • Location: graham
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2017, 12:52:52 PM »
I can tell you with absolute certainty that bobcats and bear are fawns worst enemy!! And that isn't adding in cougars!! I hunt this long finger that juts out into this lake and in one day I found 3 brand new cougar kills , two were young bucks, both 2 lots with eye guards and a mature doe!! Bobcat love fawn as do bear!! My gut tells me and from what I see, especially for blacktail that if the game department doesn't do something blacktail are in big trouble 🙁
my grandpa always said "if it aint broke dont fix it"

Offline Boss .300 winmag

  • Best Biggie Blogger
  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+7)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Oct 2010
  • Posts: 10422
  • Location: Skagit Valley
  • DAN-O CAN'T TAKE BIGGIE PICS
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2017, 01:19:47 PM »
I can tell you with absolute certainty that bobcats and bear are fawns worst enemy!! And that isn't adding in cougars!! I hunt this long finger that juts out into this lake and in one day I found 3 brand new cougar kills , two were young bucks, both 2 lots with eye guards and a mature doe!! Bobcat love fawn as do bear!! My gut tells me and from what I see, especially for blacktail that if the game department doesn't do something blacktail are in big trouble 🙁

I think some areas are worse off than mule deer.  :twocents:
"Just because I like granola, and I have stretched my arms around a few trees, doesn't mean I'm a tree hugger!
Hi I'm 8156, our leader is Bearpaw.
YOU CANNOT REASON WITH A TIGER WHEN YOUR HEAD IS IN ITS MOUTH! Winston Churchill

Keep Calm And Duc On!

Offline Ridgeratt

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2008
  • Posts: 3479
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2017, 07:38:42 PM »
Trying to estimate the amount of coyotes in the state is a mute point. Yes they will reproduce and you will never rid the area of them. But there is also the introduction of the wolves. Also something that will never be able to rid of once again.
But if we do our part to reduce what we can that perhaps will give a few more fawns a chance. Coming up is the Breeding season and every one that hits the lawn could reduce the numbers by a few. Just as the following months when they have whelped reducing a few could reduce a few more litters. Nature is a harsh reality and there is not much difference in starvation and the damage that they do to the fawn population.

There are folks who are waiting for this coyote madness why wait. Start now. Before the state got involved in the permitting process there where impromptu coyote hunts.

If you are working on reducing the population there is also the chance of collateral opportunities.

« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 12:30:11 PM by Ridgeratt »

Offline Gringo31

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: May 2009
  • Posts: 5384
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2017, 09:07:58 AM »
There is no greater joy than ruining a coyotes day in the late spring then with a fawn distress.   :twocents:


I think the numbers are a touch off.  People need to realize that most of the does will have fawns.  I spend time all year watching.  Trying to see how many does have fawns early to mid June vs mid July etc..  Those first two weeks are critical.  Deer populations would explode with one year of very high fawn survival rates. 

I tend to back off during the summers a bit more than I should.  I'm on the fence whether they cause more damage during the summer with fawns or winter with stressed deer.  But I don't wait, there are three less this morning in the world then there was last night  ;)
We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.
-Ronald Reagan

Offline Ridgeratt

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2008
  • Posts: 3479
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2017, 09:46:47 AM »
 :bow: :bow: :bow:


Offline elkchaser54

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • ***
  • Join Date: Oct 2014
  • Posts: 185
  • Location: Walla Walla
Re: Interesting read in this months Predator extreme
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2017, 10:05:31 AM »
So what do you guys do with the coyotes you shoot?

 

* Recent Topics

3nails trapping 2018-19 by 3nails
[Today at 04:27:47 AM]


Deer poacher's sentence includes required viewings of 'Bambi' by Fl0und3rz
[Today at 01:14:24 AM]


Late Season Blacktail-Getting Discouraged by fishnfur
[Today at 12:20:14 AM]


2017 opening day by fishnfur
[Today at 12:07:11 AM]


Bump Stocks by Fl0und3rz
[Today at 12:03:42 AM]


young blacktail with lots of promise by fishnfur
[Today at 12:03:30 AM]


looking for a Kel Tec PMR 30 by b23
[Yesterday at 11:47:31 PM]


WTT stainless thompson contender 2 barrels by wrchinook
[Yesterday at 11:38:27 PM]


Shr 970 sigarms 270 win 2 clips Nikon bdc by wrchinook
[Yesterday at 11:32:58 PM]


WTT rare Winchester 70, 270 weatherby,bell and Carlson stock rings and bases by wrchinook
[Yesterday at 11:30:49 PM]


calling coyotes by Pete112288
[Yesterday at 11:22:46 PM]


Backcountry Hunters and Anglers Snohomish pint night. by banishd
[Yesterday at 11:20:33 PM]


OTC Idaho Elk tags by huntnnw
[Yesterday at 11:01:16 PM]


Strategy by ljsommer
[Yesterday at 11:01:05 PM]


Duck hunting above little goose on the Snake by Badhabit
[Yesterday at 10:21:38 PM]


TRADE MONTANA WHITETAIL HUNTING FOR SALMON AND DEEP SEA FISHING by CLARKTAR
[Yesterday at 10:20:23 PM]


2017 Montana Muley done by hunting4sanity
[Yesterday at 10:19:05 PM]


My 50 Cal Full Bore Project by Reidus
[Yesterday at 10:13:56 PM]


Mature Two Point Mule Deer Challenge by ian_padron
[Yesterday at 10:12:13 PM]


GPS by PaulM
[Yesterday at 10:10:05 PM]