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Nice Color
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2017, 01:55:30 PM »
Does it ever get boring to take such great pics?

You really do have a gift. 
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2017, 02:10:48 PM »
        :yeah:

Just needs a touch of red behind the shoulder for contrast.   :tup:

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2017, 04:55:24 PM »

If you are selling your pictures you should Advertise in THE FUR SHED, I know guys would like to purchase some of your work
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2017, 04:57:06 PM »
Thank you guys.  I appreciate it.

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2017, 04:58:38 PM »
Doug you ever let the air out of these predators? Great pictures for sure.

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2017, 05:03:14 PM »
Not when I am on camera duty, but otherwise yes. 

I was having a theoretical discussion in my head....do I hate mice or coyotes worse.

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2017, 05:07:42 PM »
lol I hear that!! I have an issue with rats. My neighbors decided they need chickens this year now I have rats around. Really puts a burr in my britches!! Sorry to take this thread in a different direction for your great photography.

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2017, 07:15:54 PM »
Bone,
Hate to tell you this but from a fur producers viewpoint that is one ugly coyote. Find us a nice heavy pale and to get trappers excited.
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2017, 07:39:46 PM »
Thatís good to know.   I figured it was a younger one so that might be a problem.  Letís see if I can come up with one you are talking about.

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2017, 07:42:19 PM »
lol I hear that!! I have an issue with rats. My neighbors decided they need chickens this year now I have rats around. Really puts a burr in my britches!! Sorry to take this thread in a different direction for your great photography.

Not at all. Talk like this is more what Iíd like to see around my virtual campfire.

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2017, 08:21:57 PM »
Is this a better color humptulips?


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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2017, 08:27:00 PM »
Personally i like the first coyote better then second one.

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2017, 08:27:58 PM »
Personally i like the first coyote better then second one.

Second one is worth more money
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2017, 08:46:10 PM »
Good grief, how close are you to the second one, Bone?
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2017, 08:54:31 PM »
About 15 feet.   Older pic.  I think that was from my old point and shoot.   

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2017, 01:37:39 AM »
That one is closer on color but I think a long way from heavy.
Need to send you to Alberta, those yotes would get everybody salivating.
I caught two years ago before I packed a camera that would knock your socks off but those kind are as rare in WA as bigfoot.
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2017, 05:04:14 AM »
So less red the better, size does matter, I donít care what they say... time of year of course?  When does prime usually start?

Speaking of color, what about the ones that are black?  I know they are worth more to hunters, but how about to fur traders?

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2017, 09:14:31 PM »
Here is a couple pictures that might give you a better idea what the best coyotes will look like.
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2017, 09:27:25 PM »
They have a certain shine, just really bright and beyond that there is the loft ( best word I can think of) that probably can't be described through a picture.
Like I said  I caught a couple that I think would compare and the fur was like 5 inches thick. Hard to appreciate until you run your hand through it.
Light almost shiny are the best,
Darker they get the worse grade you will have but it is not just the back. Top lot stuff needs a full and very white belly,
Yellowish is considerably less valuable and reds are the pits.
A solid black would be valuable for taxidermy but the fur market would turn their nose up because there are not enough of them to add up to anything.

You asked about primeness. I'm  going to say Nov 1st to ? W WA they go out earlier because of the rain. Drier it is the longer they last but even in the best areas they are going out by February. Here in the rain forest I always figured they would be at an end by Christmas. Outliers exist though. I have caught an occasional good one in March but that is probably 1 in a 100.
It is possible to get a very good coyote from almost everywhere but mostly they are oddities in WA. The best come from the coldest snowiest plains type areas. That is why I mentioned Alberta. I'm sure there are some pretty good ones running around in NE WA though.
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2017, 09:34:34 PM »
Thanks for your time answering that.   Iíve seen some good ones in the Methow.  Probably tend to run bigger and more white.   Bobcats are usually more white, with better spots, but thatís a whole nother topic.

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2017, 10:30:08 PM »
@Humptulips donít they put on fur for the potential winter temps?

Wa. could never see long term Canadian temps.
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2017, 11:41:16 PM »
I don't think there is anyplace in WA that would see the long term very cold temps of Alberta or some parts of MT.
That being said I don't think the color is determined by the cold. It is a hereditary adaptation to their environment. Certain areas produce those top lot coyotes where that gene is more prevalent.
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2017, 05:15:59 AM »
Correction the Methow still quite often has temps in the single digits for extended periods of 2 + weeks

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2017, 05:54:06 AM »
Great pics, Doug.
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2017, 01:26:32 PM »
How's the color on these? 

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2017, 10:02:28 PM »
They look pretty good to me especially the two on the right.
I'll ignore the one laying under the others tails.
Always a pleasure to see well handled furs.
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2017, 09:28:23 AM »
Thanks Bruce.  The one under the tails is plain ugly to me.  Kind of a dirty red head.

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2017, 11:36:00 AM »
So less red the better, size does matter, I donít care what they say... time of year of course?  When does prime usually start?

Speaking of color, what about the ones that are black?  I know they are worth more to hunters, but how about to fur traders?

boneaddict, I did pretty good back in the 70's trapping coyotes in the Potholes Area in Grant County a week before Hunting Season opened. I had to get in and out before the place was swarming with Black Labs, (back when foothold traps were the order of the day).

 The nape was of course shorter, but it didn't matter to Fur Buyers at the time, (seemed to like a full coat on an early caught coyote compared to patches of fur missing on one caught late in the season). This was back when long haired fur was in style and I was getting $125. for my large Western Washington coyotes with white bellies. The dark colored ones were worth less than the heavy coated ones from the Dakotas (some about the size of wolves) but what they wanted then were the ones with White bellies to use for trim on coats. Whatever is popular at the time brings the most money. Doug
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2017, 12:06:32 PM »
The way I've been told buy the local fur buyer here is that prime is Oct -nov . They start rubbing in late Dec and he says they pull the long guard hairs out when they lay in the snow and their hair freezes to their bed.

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2017, 12:43:22 PM »
Good stuff. 

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2017, 02:47:58 PM »
Ugh, That is mange on that one for those that don't know. Caught them like that in the snow and it is hard not to feel sorry for them.
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2017, 10:18:26 AM »
This should show you why the White Bellies are important to the Fur Buyers. 8) Doug
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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2017, 10:23:51 AM »
He caught so much crap for wearing that.  I loved it

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Re: Nice Color
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2017, 11:31:24 AM »
Will add that my experience with putting up coyote fur, years ago, was that darker colored hair was coarser than light or white colored hair, especially on dark colored coastal coyotes.  Some of the dark ones with a big black chevron over the shoulders are striking as they walk around or even as a rug but are not anywhere near as lush and nice when made into garments as light colored fur.

 The light colored ones have fine hair and the really good ones have so many hairs per square inch that it will not lay down but stays fluffed out, standing up.   Just reread the thread and I think what I'm describing is what Humptulips called loft, and that is a good term for silky fine fur so deep and thick that it stands up away from the skin.

The best one I ever handled was shot by a friend, his turn to shoot.  From cold country far from a coast it was a creamy off-white all over.  Down the back it looked like someone had sprinkled a trace of fine black pepper, the last 1/32 of a few guard hairs tipped in black, otherwise all white.  The underfur was slightly pink when you ran a hand over the fur.  It was so fine and so thick that all of the silky hair stood up and could not lay down.


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