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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2017, 07:22:13 PM »
Considering that one of the guys from the WA/OR poaching ring only got a $500 fine. This guy should get a handshake and a thank you for self reporting  :twocents:

Bummer deal all around though.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2017, 07:01:51 AM »
Ya, he was pretty down on himself for quite a while.  Talked with an arresting officer one time and they said they have people they know poach 20 elk a year and can't seem to be in the right place at the right time to bust them and it really sucked to right up the guy who made an honest mistake and turned himself in.  But so is life I guess... you win some and you lose some!

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2017, 09:13:55 AM »
I can't think of anything less intelligent than self reporting a poached mountain goat.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2017, 09:20:16 AM »
I can't think of anything less intelligent than self reporting a poached mountain goat.

Not self reporting.
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2017, 09:29:15 AM »
I can't think of anything less intelligent than self reporting a poached mountain goat.

Not self reporting.
:yeah: sounds like an honest man made an honest mistake.  I hope the courts keep that in mind when deciding his punishment.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2017, 09:29:41 AM »
I can't think of anything less intelligent than self reporting a poached mountain goat.

Not self reporting.
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What would be better? Hiding it??
I appreciate the man's honesty.  The fact that he didn't know where he was from a unit boundary standpoint is hard for me to swallow, but I appreciate his honesty.
@hhack  please explain a better alternative.
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2017, 09:51:43 AM »
I can't think of anything less intelligent than self reporting a poached mountain goat.

Not self reporting.
:yeah:
What would be better? Hiding it??
I appreciate the man's honesty.  The fact that he didn't know where he was from a unit boundary standpoint is hard for me to swallow, but I appreciate his honesty.
@hhack  please explain a better alternative.

Probably go with hiding it as the answer, based on prior posts, for instance #3:
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2017, 10:17:28 AM »
I am thoroughly against poaching unless predators go ahead kill a bunch of them way too many wolves bears cougars coyotes in this state. I am very against poaching but if someone does make a mistake why on earth would you tell the wdfw. Wdfw doesn't care if you accidentally shoot a spike instead of a true spike and self report. If they care about that and hand out the harshest punishment why would you expect differently with a goat.  They are anti hunting and looking to stick it to hunters.  I just don't understand why someone self report. 
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2017, 10:50:32 AM »
I would be the guy that self reported because of the cloud that would forever be on me if I didn't. But...time  and again it's been the guys doing what is right that get hammered the hardest.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2017, 11:01:40 AM »
I would be the guy that self reported because of the cloud that would forever be on me if I didn't. But...time  and again it's been the guys doing what is right that get hammered the hardest.

I'd take that chance too.
 
I am thoroughly against poaching unless predators go ahead kill a bunch of them way too many wolves bears cougars coyotes in this state. I am very against poaching but if someone does make a mistake why on earth would you tell the wdfw. Wdfw doesn't care if you accidentally shoot a spike instead of a true spike and self report. If they care about that and hand out the harshest punishment why would you expect differently with a goat.  They are anti hunting and looking to stick it to hunters.  I just don't understand why someone self report. 

So poaching is not ok unless there's predator issues, then it's ok to poach because the wolves and cats are already killing a bunch of deer and elk?
 
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2017, 11:11:33 AM »
jackalope I understand that you love wolves and cougars. I don't. People can poach away if that's what you want to call it I would never rat on someone for shooting a wolf or cat.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2017, 11:16:55 AM »
jackalope I understand that you love wolves and cougars. I don't. People can poach away if that's what you want to call it I would never rat on someone for shooting a wolf or cat.

That's cute. I don't like excessive/unmanaged/unregulated predators...but that's not what this thread is about. You're criticizing a guy for doing the right thing. For being honest. Clearly you don't know anything about conservation, especially ongoing mountain goat conservation efforts in this state.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2017, 11:51:28 AM »
There is something to be said for doing what is right.  Especially after you've found yourself doing what was wrong.   :twocents:
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2017, 11:53:28 AM »
I knew something was fishy about Jackelope he's turned predator hugger!! Just great

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2017, 11:55:42 AM »
Perhaps he is only identifying as a predator hugger today and tomorrow will be different.  :hello:

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2017, 11:57:57 AM »
Perhaps he is only identifying as a predator hugger today and tomorrow will be different.  :hello:

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2017, 11:58:56 AM »
That's for sure!!!

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2017, 06:37:32 PM »
Am I the only one that finds it amusing that a guy with 7 whole posts knows Jackalope so well?
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2017, 06:51:34 PM »
And I thought Josh was a straight shooter!!  Dang!  😆.   
Actually I halfway agree with hhack, I’d never give myself up to Wdfw if I made that kind of mistake, and I’d buy anyone a beer for killing wolves!  But cats and bears deserve a bit of respect, screw the wolves.
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2017, 10:23:36 PM »
Maybe the hunter self reported because he suspected his hunting partner was eyeing 10 points.  Better to self report than have someone report you. 

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2017, 10:29:26 PM »
The guy has serious credibility and stones for making the call on himself, it is no mystery what was going to happen.  He would absolutely lose the goat, never get a chance to shoot on in WA again as well as pay a hefty fee.  That's for sure, he could also get into much more criminal penalties, lose his hunting privileges and end up with a 4-5 figure legal bill on top of it all.


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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2017, 06:28:13 AM »
Maybe the hunter self reported because he suspected his hunting partner was eyeing 10 points.  Better to self report than have someone report you.
It's just not that easy, I've reported 2 slam dunk poaching cases in the past 5 or 6 years, both times they were caught with enough evidence to convict.  The problem was the poachers just kept their mouth shut and not even a ticket was given. One was a trophy class bull shot with a .22 during archery season, one was at night. There are laws to protect you from false accusations, but they also work in the wrong way as well.  I'm not saying people should do illegal things and keep quite, I'm just saying if he would have kept his mouth shut and said nothing at all, his mistake might have just gone away. It could have just stayed between him and his conscience, but I don't know the whole story, maybe a warden was watching it happen.
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2017, 09:43:18 PM »
The guy has serious credibility and stones for making the call on himself, it is no mystery what was going to happen.  He would absolutely lose the goat, never get a chance to shoot on in WA again as well as pay a hefty fee.  That's for sure, he could also get into much more criminal penalties, lose his hunting privileges and end up with a 4-5 figure legal bill on top of it all.

I would bet you someone sees pictures of his goat and recognizes it. I'm always amazed at how people can recognize different animals from a glance. There's enough people out there looking at goats on top of the state bios that it would have come out eventually.

Even if he would never have gotten caught if it is true he self reported I have respect left for the man. Regardless what your justification internally is poaching is poaching and it's wrong. Turning yourself in takes some serious conviction to being a good man even if he did do something wrong to get there. Once the mistake is made it's the moving forward that is important. He is redeemed quite a bit in my book.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2017, 10:30:41 PM »
Am I the only one that finds it amusing that a guy with 7 hole posts knows Jackalope so well?

What, is he putting in a fence? :dunno:
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2017, 04:22:05 AM »
Am I the only one that finds it amusing that a guy with 7 hole posts knows Jackalope so well?

What, is he putting in a fence? :dunno:
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