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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2017, 05:05:10 AM »
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2017, 07:08:03 AM »
I would almost bet that (off the record) the WDFW wishes this guy just kept his mouth shut, and hates the fact that he self-reported what is now advertised as "poaching" a Mtn goat.  Nobody wins.  The honest hunter who makes a mistake gets labeled a poacher in the media & and the WDFW gets labeled as heartless curs or throwing the book at the guy who turns himself in and made an honest mistake.  But they are probably required to by law.  I hope the WDFW has some wiggle room for punishment in cases like this.  Only anti-hunters, that can proclaim a goat was poached, win. For goodness sake, at least talk to a lawyer first.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2017, 07:24:03 AM »
This is a sad situation, but remember ignorance is not an excuse
for breaking the law. Good example why you need to know the
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2017, 07:32:11 AM »
I just wish the title of the thread wasn't "Poached Goat".  If the guy made an honest mistake, I hate that people refer to it as poaching.  It was a mistake.......not poaching. :twocents:

BTW - how far from the open unit was the guy?  Did he just totally mess up the boundary or just read wrong what unit he was supposed to hunt?  When did he realize his mistake?  :dunno:
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2017, 08:00:12 AM »
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It certainly is not a "poached goat."  A poacher doesn't turn himself in. I also wonder about how far outside of the boundary he was. Is it only a matter of 1/4 mile? Or is it several miles? Either way you'd think the punishment won't be too extreme, seeing how a hard core, actual poacher just got fined $500 for all the animals he killed during the last few years, out of season, and illegally using hounds. But, I guess that all depends on the county prosecutor and the judge.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2017, 08:05:44 AM »
At worst he should pay  $100 bucks and oh I don't know....maybe be offered a voluntary penalty of another  $500 and keep his trophy. No poacher self reports and huge props to him for being beyond honest.
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2017, 08:11:59 AM »
First off what a hard lesson for the guy to learn, if I found myself in the same situation I'd do the same thing, that being said it is an unfortunate situation but one that in my mind doesn't fall into the classic poaching case.  When I think of poaching I think of stealing opportunity from another individual, taking too many critters etc.  Based on the very limited info I know about this case from the posts here, it sounds like he shot a goat that was just outside of the boundary(which he should have known). But perhaps the WDFW needs to rethink the boundary for this unit.  I highly doubt they are trying to grow a population of goats in the Bethal unit(no good habitat).  Odds are this goat spent at least some(if not most) of his time in the open hunting unit and was considered part of the "herd" that the tag was open for.  I know the line has to be drawn somewhere and I would never condemn his actions as right(except turning himself in) but this is a far different case to me than the poaching rings that shoot dozens of deer a year, or the guys who buy their wives tags and shoot those deer for them, shoot big bucks off the winter range, etc. 
I'm sure I'll get flamed for my opinion but it is what it is.  Bottom line is the guy is 100% responsible for his actions and not being aware of the proper boundaries but a poacher? 

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2017, 08:13:40 AM »
First off what a hard lesson for the guy to learn, if I found myself in the same situation I'd do the same thing, that being said it is an unfortunate situation but one that in my mind doesn't fall into the classic poaching case.  When I think of poaching I think of stealing opportunity from another individual, taking too many critters etc.  Based on the very limited info I know about this case from the posts here, it sounds like he shot a goat that was just outside of the boundary(which he should have known). But perhaps the WDFW needs to rethink the boundary for this unit.  I highly doubt they are trying to grow a population of goats in the Bethal unit(no good habitat).  Odds are this goat spent at least some(if not most) of his time in the open hunting unit and was considered part of the "herd" that the tag was open for.  I know the line has to be drawn somewhere and I would never condemn his actions as right(except turning himself in) but this is a far different case to me than the poaching rings that shoot dozens of deer a year, or the guys who buy their wives tags and shoot those deer for them, shoot big bucks off the winter range, etc. 
I'm sure I'll get flamed for my opinion but it is what it is.  Bottom line is the guy is 100% responsible for his actions and not being aware of the proper boundaries but a poacher?

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2017, 08:22:45 AM »
First off what a hard lesson for the guy to learn, if I found myself in the same situation I'd do the same thing, that being said it is an unfortunate situation but one that in my mind doesn't fall into the classic poaching case.  When I think of poaching I think of stealing opportunity from another individual, taking too many critters etc.  Based on the very limited info I know about this case from the posts here, it sounds like he shot a goat that was just outside of the boundary(which he should have known). But perhaps the WDFW needs to rethink the boundary for this unit.  I highly doubt they are trying to grow a population of goats in the Bethal unit(no good habitat).  Odds are this goat spent at least some(if not most) of his time in the open hunting unit and was considered part of the "herd" that the tag was open for.  I know the line has to be drawn somewhere and I would never condemn his actions as right(except turning himself in) but this is a far different case to me than the poaching rings that shoot dozens of deer a year, or the guys who buy their wives tags and shoot those deer for them, shoot big bucks off the winter range, etc. 
I'm sure I'll get flamed for my opinion but it is what it is.  Bottom line is the guy is 100% responsible for his actions and not being aware of the proper boundaries but a poacher? 

No flaming here. I also couldn't agree more. I'd have a much different view of this if the guy didn't turn himself in.
As close as they're watching goat populations right now, I feel like they'll want to or need to know about it.
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2017, 08:23:16 AM »
He illegally took a goat on USFS land that in a unit he didn't have a tag for= poaching.

This was no honest mistake if he had reading comprehension. He needs to be fined a good amount to show the public to read the damn regs before you kill an animal. The 1500 road is a well defined boundary and you have to be dumb to shoot an animal in another unit.  He must of got goat happy, but that's no excuse.
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #60 on: December 13, 2017, 08:27:00 AM »
He illegally took a goat on USFS land that in a unit he didn't have a tag for= poaching.

This was no honest mistake if he had reading comprehension. He needs to be fined a good amount to show the public to read the damn regs before you kill an animal. The 1500 road is a well defined boundary and you have to be dumb to shoot an animal in another unit.  He must of got goat happy, but that's no excuse.

After the giant poaching ring guy got fined $500 and some community service, I'm hoping he gets about equal to that and doesn't lose his rifle. He shouldn't keep his goat either. Not saying what he did was right or wrong. By definition what he did was poaching, but there's a huge difference between this goat guy and those dirt bags.
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #61 on: December 13, 2017, 08:31:11 AM »
It doesn't seem to me that anyone commenting here is familiar enough with the facts surrounding this case to be forming ANY opinion on what the outcome should be. 

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2017, 08:41:06 AM »
If it was in fact intentional, and the guy knew he was not in the open unit, then I take back what I said, and I would consider that poaching. Did he only turn himself in because there was a witness that he thought might turn him in? Who knows. Don't really have any facts here, just speculation.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2017, 08:53:36 AM »
I had to turn my wife in for killing a mule deer buck her first year hunting (and 5 months married to me!) during a whitetail only season.  Reason being, to not do so was potentially a career-ending decision (for me).  She thankfully understood this (21+ years married and counting!).  I don't consider her a poacher :) 
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2017, 08:54:22 AM »
If it was in fact intentional, and the guy knew he was not in the open unit, then I take back what I said, and I would consider that poaching. Did he only turn himself in because there was a witness that he thought might turn him in? Who knows. Don't really have any facts here, just speculation.
:yeah:
I will take it back too and call him a poacher if what he did wasn't an honest mistake.  I guess I'm jumping to the conclusion of an honest mistake since he was honest enough self report.

Simply screwing up and thinking you are in one unit when you are in a different unit is bad, but just a mistake.....not poaching in my mind.  But everyone has a different opinion on the definition of poacher and that's fine....
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #65 on: December 13, 2017, 09:15:30 AM »
It doesn't seem to me that anyone commenting here is familiar enough with the facts surrounding this case to be forming ANY opinion on what the outcome should be. 

Some folks know more than you think they know.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2017, 09:28:45 AM »
Some folks don't know as much as they think they know also.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2017, 09:29:49 AM »
That is the impression I get from reading this thread.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2017, 09:37:04 AM »
Some folks don't know as much as they think they know also.

Agree.
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2017, 09:40:43 AM »
Well then, let's hear the facts from those who seem to know who does know stuff and who doesn't know stuff.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2017, 09:46:31 AM »
Well then, let's hear the facts from those who seem to know who does know stuff and who doesn't know stuff.
And go down the same road as the Reichert threads? Let's not. Please.
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2017, 09:51:55 AM »
Well then, let's hear the facts from those who seem to know who does know stuff and who doesn't know stuff.
And go down the same road as the Reichert threads? Let's not. Please.

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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2017, 09:55:14 AM »
Ya I would really like to know the facts. Because if he took one of those Goats Im talking about he had to cross a road. And then I would say no excuse at all. No your boundaries or don't go !!! 
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Re: Poached Goat
« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2017, 10:05:03 AM »
I had to turn my wife in for killing a mule deer buck her first year hunting (and 5 months married to me!) during a whitetail only season.  Reason being, to not do so was potentially a career-ending decision (for me).  She thankfully understood this (21+ years married and counting!).  I don't consider her a poacher :)
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« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2017, 10:12:18 AM »
I had to turn my wife in for killing a mule deer buck her first year hunting (and 5 months married to me!) during a whitetail only season.  Reason being, to not do so was potentially a career-ending decision (for me).  She thankfully understood this (21+ years married and counting!).  I don't consider her a poacher :)
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