collapse

Author Topic: Canada Lynx delisting  (Read 810 times)

Offline Humptulips

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2010
  • Posts: 4071
  • Location: Humptulips
    • Washington State Trappers Association
  • Groups: WSTA, NTA, FTA, OTA, WWC, WFW, NRA
Canada Lynx delisting
« on: January 11, 2018, 07:44:15 PM »
https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/pressrel/2018/01112018_Status_Review_Indicates_Canada_lynx_Recovery_inLower48.php

DENVER -The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) is announcing the completion of a scientific review of the Canada lynx in the contiguous United States. The review concludes that the Canada lynx may no longer warrant protection under the Endangered Species Act (ESA) and should be considered for delisting due to recovery. This recommendation is the result of an extensive review of the best available scientific information and almost 20 years of working in partnership with state, federal, tribal, industry and other land managers on the conservation of this species.  As a result of this status review, the Service will begin development of a proposed rule to delist the species.

When they listed Lynx it spawned a bunch of lawsuits to stop trapping in several States especially Maine and MT. I'm not seeing where much has changed so I would say it was unwarranted from the get go. It truly has been a pain in the rear for Maine trappers with all the restrictions.
I imagine there will be more lawsuits over this as the ARs won't want to give up one of there best tools to restrict trapping.
Kind of makes you wonder if the current Administration gave it a green light and if another party would have.
Bruce Vandervort

Offline KFhunter

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2011
  • Posts: 13401
  • Location: The Wedge
  • My posts do not reflect an official opinion of HW
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 07:46:41 PM »
So we need some taller cages now?
I should be out hunting lions, thanks WDFW

Offline Humptulips

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2010
  • Posts: 4071
  • Location: Humptulips
    • Washington State Trappers Association
  • Groups: WSTA, NTA, FTA, OTA, WWC, WFW, NRA
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 07:52:40 PM »
So we need some taller cages now?
Still State listed. :bash:
Bruce Vandervort

Offline ribka

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Old Salt
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2008
  • Posts: 5117
  • Location: E side
  • That's what she said
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2018, 08:07:59 PM »
So we need some taller cages now?
it

appears that conservation NW, a supposed pro hunting organization thgat has help end legal trapping, :chuckle: :chuckle:, is opposed to lynx hunting even though the numbers are high enough to resume hunting and trapping

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-proposal-delist-canada-lynx/


http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150723/wdfw-one-more-kill-will-put-dirty-shirt-wolves-at-risk

of course it is ironic the the founder of conservation NW, mitch friedman, helped shut down all logging in the NW through spiking trees while he worked for earth first and that that resulted in wildfires with so much fuel load that they destroyed millions of acres of wildlife habitat

surprised?

my post will probably get removed again :chuckle:

Offline KFhunter

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2011
  • Posts: 13401
  • Location: The Wedge
  • My posts do not reflect an official opinion of HW
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2018, 08:13:50 PM »
Why would your comment get removed?  You've given some good insight, from your link on CNW:

Quote
“Lynx populations in Washington have declined since they were identified as a threatened species in 2000,” said Dave Werntz, Science and Conservation Director at Conservation Northwest.

“A significant amount of the habitat where they remain has been lost to recent large fires. The Trump Administration’s decision that lynx no longer deserve federal protection is shameful, cavalier, and contrary to best available information. It’s clear that lynx are facing extinction threats and warrant federal wildlife protections.”

More information regarding our decades of work protecting lynx habitat, advocating for state and federal protections, and documenting their presence in Washington and southern British Columbia is available at: www.conservationnw.org/our-work/wildlife/canada-lynx/

Thanks for that link btw
I should be out hunting lions, thanks WDFW

Offline Ridgeratt

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Sep 2008
  • Posts: 3142
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 08:39:34 PM »
KF don't get your hopes up they will more than likely hire another 400k consultant.

Offline ribka

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Old Salt
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2008
  • Posts: 5117
  • Location: E side
  • That's what she said
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 08:45:11 PM »
one of my posts earlier was nuked for criticizing conservation NW and its representative who comes on hunt WA and posts false propaganda.

hey its not my website and I dont make the rules

Why would your comment get removed?  You've given some good insight, from your link on CNW:

Quote
“Lynx populations in Washington have declined since they were identified as a threatened species in 2000,” said Dave Werntz, Science and Conservation Director at Conservation Northwest.

“A significant amount of the habitat where they remain has been lost to recent large fires. The Trump Administration’s decision that lynx no longer deserve federal protection is shameful, cavalier, and contrary to best available information. It’s clear that lynx are facing extinction threats and warrant federal wildlife protections.”

More information regarding our decades of work protecting lynx habitat, advocating for state and federal protections, and documenting their presence in Washington and southern British Columbia is available at: www.conservationnw.org/our-work/wildlife/canada-lynx/

Thanks for that link btw

Offline WAcoyotehunter

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 3881
  • Location: Pend Oreille County
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 09:00:40 PM »
So we need some taller cages now?
it

appears that conservation NW, a supposed pro hunting organization thgat has help end legal trapping, :chuckle: :chuckle:, is opposed to lynx hunting even though the numbers are high enough to resume hunting and trapping

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-proposal-delist-canada-lynx/


http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150723/wdfw-one-more-kill-will-put-dirty-shirt-wolves-at-risk

of course it is ironic the the founder of conservation NW, mitch friedman, helped shut down all logging in the NW through spiking trees while he worked for earth first and that that resulted in wildfires with so much fuel load that they destroyed millions of acres of wildlife habitat

surprised?

my post will probably get removed again :chuckle:
Where are the populations high enough to be hunted? 

Offline WAcoyotehunter

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 3881
  • Location: Pend Oreille County
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 09:01:33 PM »
Even if they are federally delisted, there's no way they should be delisted in our state, or Idaho.

Offline ribka

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Old Salt
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2008
  • Posts: 5117
  • Location: E side
  • That's what she said
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 09:15:31 PM »
canada and eventually here in Washington and Idaho

but conservation nw is opposed to all legal forms of sport hunting  of all animals

funny that once logging was ended by the eco terrorist mitch friedman and earth first the fuel load became so great in our forests that once a fire started it was so strong that t destroyed vital  wildlife habitat including habitat for the endangered lynx.

so much for uneducated eco terrorists, with zero background in forestry management, are now involved in our wildlife management.

sounds like a recipe, once again, for disaster for our wildlife.

Maybe try and spin this in favor of anti hunting groups again.

So we need some taller cages now?
it

appears that conservation NW, a supposed pro hunting organization thgat has help end legal trapping, :chuckle: :chuckle:, is opposed to lynx hunting even though the numbers are high enough to resume hunting and trapping

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-proposal-delist-canada-lynx/


http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150723/wdfw-one-more-kill-will-put-dirty-shirt-wolves-at-risk

of course it is ironic the the founder of conservation NW, mitch friedman, helped shut down all logging in the NW through spiking trees while he worked for earth first and that that resulted in wildfires with so much fuel load that they destroyed millions of acres of wildlife habitat

surprised?

my post will probably get removed again :chuckle:
Where are the populations high enough to be hunted?

Offline WAcoyotehunter

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 3881
  • Location: Pend Oreille County
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 09:25:20 PM »
canada and eventually here in Washington and Idaho

but conservation nw is opposed to all legal forms of sport hunting  of all animals

funny that once logging was ended by the eco terrorist mitch friedman and earth first the fuel load became so great in our forests that once a fire started it was so strong that t destroyed vital  wildlife habitat including habitat for the endangered lynx.

so much for uneducated eco terrorists, with zero background in forestry management, are now involved in our wildlife management.

sounds like a recipe, once again, for disaster for our wildlife.

Maybe try and spin this in favor of anti hunting groups again.

So we need some taller cages now?
it

appears that conservation NW, a supposed pro hunting organization thgat has help end legal trapping, :chuckle: :chuckle:, is opposed to lynx hunting even though the numbers are high enough to resume hunting and trapping

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-proposal-delist-canada-lynx/


http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150723/wdfw-one-more-kill-will-put-dirty-shirt-wolves-at-risk

of course it is ironic the the founder of conservation NW, mitch friedman, helped shut down all logging in the NW through spiking trees while he worked for earth first and that that resulted in wildfires with so much fuel load that they destroyed millions of acres of wildlife habitat

surprised?

my post will probably get removed again :chuckle:
Where are the populations high enough to be hunted?
They still hunt and trap lynx in Canada and an ESA listing does nothing to change that.  If you want to 'eventually' hunt lynx in WA and ID, the federal listing will help the population get there.  The state doesn't have much for resources to recover species and counts on Fed money for that....but I'm sure you know that.

CNW and all conservation minded hunters should be wary about a delisting in this DPS.  The population is not recovered.  Are you arguing that it is?  What the hell are you arguing, aside from.taking the time to bash CNW?

Offline KFhunter

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2011
  • Posts: 13401
  • Location: The Wedge
  • My posts do not reflect an official opinion of HW
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 09:28:58 PM »
I see signs of them pretty frequently snowmobiling sub alpine and higher elevations 5-7000' but I don't know if there's enough to de list or not. 

Does anyone have any estimate on numbers?  We mostly get spill down from Canada here.
I should be out hunting lions, thanks WDFW

Offline WAcoyotehunter

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 3881
  • Location: Pend Oreille County
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2018, 10:00:30 PM »
There's a handful in the Loomis, but very few anywhere else in the state.  We hear about them infrequently in NE Washington and I have seen tracks 2x and one actual sighting near Priest Lake Idaho. 

They are rare, not even close to being a species hunters should think about targeting.  We should be supportive of any recovery actions that can help lynx recover.

Offline Humptulips

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2010
  • Posts: 4071
  • Location: Humptulips
    • Washington State Trappers Association
  • Groups: WSTA, NTA, FTA, OTA, WWC, WFW, NRA
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2018, 10:02:19 PM »
canada and eventually here in Washington and Idaho

but conservation nw is opposed to all legal forms of sport hunting  of all animals

funny that once logging was ended by the eco terrorist mitch friedman and earth first the fuel load became so great in our forests that once a fire started it was so strong that t destroyed vital  wildlife habitat including habitat for the endangered lynx.

so much for uneducated eco terrorists, with zero background in forestry management, are now involved in our wildlife management.

sounds like a recipe, once again, for disaster for our wildlife.

Maybe try and spin this in favor of anti hunting groups again.

So we need some taller cages now?
it

appears that conservation NW, a supposed pro hunting organization thgat has help end legal trapping, :chuckle: :chuckle:, is opposed to lynx hunting even though the numbers are high enough to resume hunting and trapping

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-proposal-delist-canada-lynx/


http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20150723/wdfw-one-more-kill-will-put-dirty-shirt-wolves-at-risk

of course it is ironic the the founder of conservation NW, mitch friedman, helped shut down all logging in the NW through spiking trees while he worked for earth first and that that resulted in wildfires with so much fuel load that they destroyed millions of acres of wildlife habitat

surprised?

my post will probably get removed again :chuckle:
Where are the populations high enough to be hunted?
They still hunt and trap lynx in Canada and an ESA listing does nothing to change that.  If you want to 'eventually' hunt lynx in WA and ID, the federal listing will help the population get there.  The state doesn't have much for resources to recover species and counts on Fed money for that....but I'm sure you know that.

CNW and all conservation minded hunters should be wary about a delisting in this DPS.  The population is not recovered.  Are you arguing that it is?  What the hell are you arguing, aside from.taking the time to bash CNW?

Are you kidding? Lynx were never and will never be of significant numbers in WA. To say they are not recovered ignores the fact that we are on the fringe of their range. There will never be more lynx in WA. It is that way in all lower 48 States that have lynx.
The good thing about the talk of delisting is not a chance to hunt or trap them. It is that it stymies efforts of AR groups to litigate against trapping via the ESA.
Maine has the highest lynx population in the lower 48 and it has caused huge problems because of lawsuits filed by AR groups to halt trapping because of supposed danger to lynx. There are more lynx killed in Maine each year by cars then by anything else but trappers are the ones taking the heat because fewer then a handful of lynx have been killed over the last 10 years.
Bruce Vandervort

Offline Humptulips

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2010
  • Posts: 4071
  • Location: Humptulips
    • Washington State Trappers Association
  • Groups: WSTA, NTA, FTA, OTA, WWC, WFW, NRA
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2018, 10:11:46 PM »
There's a handful in the Loomis, but very few anywhere else in the state.  We hear about them infrequently in NE Washington and I have seen tracks 2x and one actual sighting near Priest Lake Idaho. 

They are rare, not even close to being a species hunters should think about targeting.  We should be supportive of any recovery actions that can help lynx recover.

Okanogan County has the highest population of lynx in WA. If you get away from there you will likely never see one. A very few all along the Canadian border but they dip farther south in Okanogan county then elsewhere.
As memory serves there were about a dozen confirmed DNA samples out of Okanogan county and one farther east, I think in Ferry. That in more recent hair traps WDFW did looking where lynx might be.
Bruce Vandervort

Offline JimmyHoffa

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Old Salt
  • *
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 9795
  • Location: 150 Years Too Late
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2018, 10:12:36 PM »
And takes away some of the greeny ability to close down land and other things--like logging and the spotted owl or marbled murrelet.

Offline WAcoyotehunter

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 3881
  • Location: Pend Oreille County
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 12:20:54 AM »
[quote author=Humptulips

Are you kidding? Lynx were never and will never be of significant numbers in WA. To say they are not recovered ignores the fact that we are on the fringe of their range. There will never be more lynx in WA. It is that way in all lower 48 States that have lynx.

[/quote]
There may not have been as many lynx in WA as in BC, but there were lots more than we have today.  It was a sustainable population.  Interesting stuff in the WDFW document about lynx trapping, one guy in Ferry Co. Killed 23 in a season in the mid 70's, that kind of harvest makes me think there were more than a few around.

I'm curious why you think there could not be more lynx in WA? 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00394/wdfw00394.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjJ8_Pz_NHYAhVQ2mMKHdpOAVUQFjABegQIEhAB&usg=AOvVaw2aQQ0T2inw0yzV8Xn8f1vL

Offline Okanagan

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 334
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2018, 12:29:34 AM »
I'm curious why lynx seem scarce on the US side of the border, in the Paysayten Wilderness, for example, when they are quite common on the Canadian side of the line a very few miles away and sometimes in the same watershed, such as the Paysayten River canyon.  I've rambled on both sides of the border through that country and have often found lynx tracks on the Canadian side, and seen two up there over the years, both quite close to the border.  Lynx tracks are about as common as cougar tracks in the same area, not nearly as abundant as bobcat tracks in that region.

On the US side, I only recall one lynx track, in NE Whatcom County.  I tracked it in an inch of fresh snow one morning on the trail up Crater Mountain, around the rim in sub alpine.  But I have not hiked the Paysayten country much in the past 15 years. 


Offline Skyvalhunter

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2007
  • Posts: 11139
  • Location: The valley
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 05:10:36 AM »
They don't like the smell Wa outputs. Smells like tree huggers

Offline Humptulips

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2010
  • Posts: 4071
  • Location: Humptulips
    • Washington State Trappers Association
  • Groups: WSTA, NTA, FTA, OTA, WWC, WFW, NRA
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2018, 06:25:52 AM »
[quote author=Humptulips

Are you kidding? Lynx were never and will never be of significant numbers in WA. To say they are not recovered ignores the fact that we are on the fringe of their range. There will never be more lynx in WA. It is that way in all lower 48 States that have lynx.

There may not have been as many lynx in WA as in BC, but there were lots more than we have today.  It was a sustainable population.  Interesting stuff in the WDFW document about lynx trapping, one guy in Ferry Co. Killed 23 in a season in the mid 70's, that kind of harvest makes me think there were more than a few around.

I'm curious why you think there could not be more lynx in WA? 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00394/wdfw00394.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjJ8_Pz_NHYAhVQ2mMKHdpOAVUQFjABegQIEhAB&usg=AOvVaw2aQQ0T2inw0yzV8Xn8f1vL
[/quote]

The answer is habitat. We don't have it or at least not much of it. Even in the areas considered to be lynx habitat there has never been a lot of them. It is quite possible they would disappear if it were not for dispersal from Canada.
Bruce Vandervort

Offline KFhunter

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2011
  • Posts: 13401
  • Location: The Wedge
  • My posts do not reflect an official opinion of HW
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2018, 06:34:16 AM »
I should be out hunting lions, thanks WDFW

Offline WAcoyotehunter

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 3881
  • Location: Pend Oreille County
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2018, 09:14:04 AM »
[quote author=Humptulips

Are you kidding? Lynx were never and will never be of significant numbers in WA. To say they are not recovered ignores the fact that we are on the fringe of their range. There will never be more lynx in WA. It is that way in all lower 48 States that have lynx.

There may not have been as many lynx in WA as in BC, but there were lots more than we have today.  It was a sustainable population.  Interesting stuff in the WDFW document about lynx trapping, one guy in Ferry Co. Killed 23 in a season in the mid 70's, that kind of harvest makes me think there were more than a few around.

I'm curious why you think there could not be more lynx in WA? 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00394/wdfw00394.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjJ8_Pz_NHYAhVQ2mMKHdpOAVUQFjABegQIEhAB&usg=AOvVaw2aQQ0T2inw0yzV8Xn8f1vL

The answer is habitat. We don't have it or at least not much of it. Even in the areas considered to be lynx habitat there has never been a lot of them. It is quite possible they would disappear if it were not for dispersal from Canada.
[/quote]
You're absolutely right, they need habitat.  So I suppose it depends on us to protect that habitat and it rarely happens out of the goodness of our hearts, protection of the species (it's habitat) is the only way to help them. 

Offline KFhunter

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2011
  • Posts: 13401
  • Location: The Wedge
  • My posts do not reflect an official opinion of HW
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2018, 09:20:24 AM »
Why do we need to protect fringe animals?  Animals that are robust in other areas of the country?  Lynx are thick from Canada all the way up through Alaska, and our pockets of lynx on the bottom fringe of their range aren't anything special, they're the same animals.   

Lot of their habitat is already protected by other means, and according to the study they need multi layered forests and new growth forests.  Our recent fires will provide that and logging will provide the rest, perhaps by over protecting the forest we've shot the lynx in the foot by not logging and managing our forests.   We certainly haven't hunted or trapped them to dwindling numbers, so it's got to be habitat.  If they were thicker in the 70's then ask whats different from the 70's to now?   Logging. (or rather lack of)
I should be out hunting lions, thanks WDFW

Offline Katmai Guy

  • IBEW, Local 46
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2014
  • Posts: 599
  • Location: Covington
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2018, 10:17:15 AM »
Why do we need to protect fringe animals?  Animals that are robust in other areas of the country?  Lynx are thick from Canada all the way up through Alaska, and our pockets of lynx on the bottom fringe of their range aren't anything special, they're the same animals.   

Lot of their habitat is already protected by other means, and according to the study they need multi layered forests and new growth forests.  Our recent fires will provide that and logging will provide the rest, perhaps by over protecting the forest we've shot the lynx in the foot by not logging and managing our forests.   We certainly haven't hunted or trapped them to dwindling numbers, so it's got to be habitat.  If they were thicker in the 70's then ask whats different from the 70's to now?   Logging. (or rather lack of)

 :yeah: they still log in Canada.  Nothing grows in old growth forests except moss and mushrooms, no brush, no little critters that eat or hid in brush, no big predators that eat little critters. Not to hard to figure out, logging helps a multitude of animals, not logging Might only help a little owl? :twocents:  Over simplification of course, but possible.
"Keep shootin, when there's lead in the air, there's hope"

Offline Southpole

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Sep 2012
  • Posts: 2240
  • Location: Arlington/Oso
  • Groups: NRA
Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2018, 11:06:02 AM »
Maybe there's too much competition with Washington's other beloved predators  :dunno:. Why would I choose to go hunt an area with 1000 other hunters when I could choose to hunt just as good, maybe better, of an area with maybe 100 other hunters in the woods. 
$5 is a lot of money if you ain't got it

 

* Recent Topics

Alaska Permits by The Real Sisu
[Today at 08:50:52 PM]


.17 HMR, Thoughts? by redi
[Today at 08:49:06 PM]


Long Range Heavy Bullet Rifle Help? by carpsniperg2
[Today at 08:44:08 PM]


Input on Browning x-bolt hells canyon by Hot Lunch
[Today at 08:37:28 PM]


Mountain House meal trade by dscubame
[Today at 08:33:08 PM]


For Sale- Leupold Gold Ring Spotters by zwickeyman
[Today at 08:28:51 PM]


Do you Kombucha? by grundy53
[Today at 08:27:16 PM]


New pistol advice by Jpmiller
[Today at 08:23:26 PM]


F.S. or Trade, Kowa 883 Prominar HD Spotting Scope by dog
[Today at 08:22:55 PM]


New Sponsor, Elk Hunt Consulting by Special T
[Today at 08:15:43 PM]


WTS: Vortex Razor HD 10x42 by johns8168
[Today at 08:13:20 PM]


FS: rough cut lumber by Blcktaildreamer
[Today at 08:11:48 PM]


F/S Deer horn lamp by Jermshooter
[Today at 08:11:25 PM]


Bravo to Leupold by brokemillwright
[Today at 08:07:53 PM]


Wyoming antelope questions by Eric M
[Today at 08:06:33 PM]


The Bundy Trial: When Justice Fails by Dan-o
[Today at 07:53:32 PM]


Kayaks, Who hunts with them? Let's see your set up. by ghosthunter
[Today at 07:38:57 PM]


Portabls Traeger grill? Any good? by scotsman
[Today at 07:34:53 PM]


CNN "Trophy" show by ribka
[Today at 07:34:27 PM]


Scouting a new trapline by JakeLand
[Today at 07:15:19 PM]