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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2018, 11:11:28 AM »
Maybe there's too much competition with Washington's other beloved predators  :dunno:. Why would I choose to go hunt an area with 1000 other hunters when I could choose to hunt just as good, maybe better, of an area with maybe 100 other hunters in the woods.

You bring up a good point, the lower 48 states have a lot of bobcat that overlap marginal lynx areas.  They both eat snowshoe hare, and our Washington concrete snow enables both species to chase the same game.  Lynx have the advantage in deep fluffy snow, but our snow is only fluffy for a very short time limiting that evolutionary advantage of the Canadian lynx. 
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2018, 07:12:16 PM »
The way I look at it if WA was a great place for lynx we would have a lot of them. There are a few here and more dispersing from Canada so we have the potential but something is not right so there never gets to be a lot of them.
I'm glad the USF&W service is talking about delisting. There are a lot higher priorities and we won't get sued if we catch one in a cage trap.
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2018, 07:17:49 PM »
We are not even in their range. There will never be a viable huntable population here and thatís okay.
If you shoot the first one you will never get that true trophy.

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2018, 07:34:31 PM »
I would like to see the wall come down on logging , or setting aside forest land for there recovery, but at the same time keep them listed and protected ,In not gonna kill off a small population just cause they don't or can't recover due to all kinds of factors.so that's how I stand.

Pro logging ,tree thinning,forest mangement.
Pro keeping lynx listed.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2018, 08:00:04 PM »
I would like to see the wall come down on logging , or setting aside forest land for there recovery, but at the same time keep them listed and protected ,In not gonna kill off a small population just cause they don't or can't recover due to all kinds of factors.so that's how I stand.

Pro logging ,tree thinning,forest mangement.
Pro keeping lynx listed.

My remark about getting taller cages was tongue in cheek, no one is thinking about killing off the lynx, that's ludicrous.   We're talking about federal delisting, that's a long, LONG ways away from actually hunting or trapping them. 

We don't need to "set aside" forest land for their recovery, that would hurt the population.  Lynx (if you took the time to read about them) prefer new growth and multi-layered forest because that's what the rabbits like.   Rabbits don't like old growth crap that nothing grows under, old growth forest doesn't have yummy branches on the ground for hares, if you wanted to help the lynx then talk about logging and controlled burns, snowshoe love lodge pole pine and they like them small and young with branches right on the floor. 
They eat it, then partially digest it, then eat it again right out of their own anus, sort of like a cow chews it's cud. 

So no, we don't need to set aside anything.  We need to slash and burn and log and send the older lodge pole to the paper mills for news paper and paper towels and let new lodge pole grow to keep the rabbit numbers up.   And we need to cage more bobcat in lynx territory, and of course cougar needs reduced as well.   Even taking big male lynx would help them rebound so they kill less kits.   

This is all very simple, but the stuff I talk about doesn't help lock up more wilderness and control people access to the woods.


I for one would love to see far more lynx, they kill wolves.
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2018, 08:18:58 PM »
Thought some of you might like to see this.
Its been a while...

Im sure we'll never see this again.

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2018, 08:27:38 PM »
That's awesome  :tup:   No, we won't bee seeing that again. 
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2018, 08:39:43 PM »
That's cool  :tup:

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2018, 08:51:27 PM »
I would like to see the wall come down on logging , or setting aside forest land for there recovery, but at the same time keep them listed and protected ,In not gonna kill off a small population just cause they don't or can't recover due to all kinds of factors.so that's how I stand.

Pro logging ,tree thinning,forest mangement.
Pro keeping lynx listed.

My remark about getting taller cages was tongue in cheek, no one is thinking about killing off the lynx, that's ludicrous.   We're talking about federal delisting, that's a long, LONG ways away from actually hunting or trapping them. 

We don't need to "set aside" forest land for their recovery, that would hurt the population.  Lynx (if you took the time to read about them) prefer new growth and multi-layered forest because that's what the rabbits like.   Rabbits don't like old growth crap that nothing grows under, old growth forest doesn't have yummy branches on the ground for hares, if you wanted to help the lynx then talk about logging and controlled burns, snowshoe love lodge pole pine and they like them small and young with branches right on the floor. 
They eat it, then partially digest it, then eat it again right out of their own anus, sort of like a cow chews it's cud. 

So no, we don't need to set aside anything.  We need to slash and burn and log and send the older lodge pole to the paper mills for news paper and paper towels and let new lodge pole grow to keep the rabbit numbers up.   And we need to cage more bobcat in lynx territory, and of course cougar needs reduced as well.   Even taking big male lynx would help them rebound so they kill less kits.   

This is all very simple, but the stuff I talk about doesn't help lock up more wilderness and control people access to the woods.


I for one would love to see far more lynx, they kill wolves.

I said I was pro logging KF ,i totally agree on forest mamagment with ya.I work in forest production plant ,turning forest products into useable products. :tup:

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« Last Edit: January 12, 2018, 09:03:05 PM by hunter399 »
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2018, 08:55:52 PM »
 :chuckle:  Eat Wolves!!  Very funny!  Wish it were true.  Any way, you people have pointed out why lynx are not abundant in WA: low numbers of rabbits due to less logging and regrowth, and too much competition by mountain lions and bobcats.  Lynx would be easy to catch in a cage trap and release, too.  Take pictures if you do.
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2018, 09:06:03 PM »
I threw that in there for good measure, there was a study done on lynx and wolves being together, due to the rumors that wolves were killing lynx.   

Turned out it was lynx killing lynx.  The big males (like a lot of cats) kill kits. 



However during this study they were shocked to find that lynx kill wolves, specifically pups.  They had video of a big male going into a wolf den and killing the pups, they also found other pups up to about 4 months old that had been killed by lynx. 
 
https://sidorovich.blog/2017/09/06/wolves-and-lynxes/

but to say "lynx kill wolves" is a stretch,  it's true  - but implies that it's some frequent occurrence which I doubt. 

« Last Edit: January 12, 2018, 09:48:29 PM by KFhunter »
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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2018, 09:52:20 PM »
I would like to see the wall come down on logging , or setting aside forest land for there recovery, but at the same time keep them listed and protected ,In not gonna kill off a small population just cause they don't or can't recover due to all kinds of factors.so that's how I stand.

Pro logging ,tree thinning,forest mangement.
Pro keeping lynx listed.

My remark about getting taller cages was tongue in cheek, no one is thinking about killing off the lynx, that's ludicrous.   We're talking about federal delisting, that's a long, LONG ways away from actually hunting or trapping them. 

We don't need to "set aside" forest land for their recovery, that would hurt the population.  Lynx (if you took the time to read about them) prefer new growth and multi-layered forest because that's what the rabbits like.   Rabbits don't like old growth crap that nothing grows under, old growth forest doesn't have yummy branches on the ground for hares, if you wanted to help the lynx then talk about logging and controlled burns, snowshoe love lodge pole pine and they like them small and young with branches right on the floor. 
They eat it, then partially digest it, then eat it again right out of their own anus, sort of like a cow chews it's cud. 

So no, we don't need to set aside anything.  We need to slash and burn and log and send the older lodge pole to the paper mills for news paper and paper towels and let new lodge pole grow to keep the rabbit numbers up.   And we need to cage more bobcat in lynx territory, and of course cougar needs reduced as well.   Even taking big male lynx would help them rebound so they kill less kits.   

This is all very simple, but the stuff I talk about doesn't help lock up more wilderness and control people access to the woods.


I for one would love to see far more lynx, they kill wolves.

I said I was pro logging KF ,i totally agree on forest mamagment with ya.I work in forest production plant ,turning forest products into useable products. :tup:

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I took excepting to your idea of "setting aside forest for lynx habitat".    I perhaps came on a little too strong, I'm tired of the notion of setting aside land for every critter around.

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Re: Canada Lynx delisting
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2018, 10:44:54 PM »
I could be wrong but there sure seems like a lot of lynx habitat in WA to me, based on terrain/vegetation where I have found them elsewhere. North of Highway 20 from Ross Lake to the Idaho line should be as good for lynx as it is 6 inches north of the border.  There is good lynx ground south of Highway 20 as well.  In the 60's we had several lynx on a ranch south of Arlington, OR, dry sage and wheat country.  My uncle trapped two there one winter.  A game dept. biologist told me that it could not have been a lynx that I tracked on Crater Mountain because that is too far west for lynx.  Somebody should have told the lynx.

WA (and south central BC) won't have the lynx population density of northern BC or the Yukon but the numbers should be equal along both sides of the border.





 

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