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Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« on: January 25, 2018, 01:45:24 PM »
Many of you are probably aware that WDFW opened a public comment timeframe yesterday to comment on 2018-2020 hunting season proposals and quotas.
One thing that quickly stood out to me was the reduction on youth antlerless moose tags. The current proposal reduces it from 18 tags down to just 1.
To me this is the destruction of a very unique and awesome opportunity for youth hunters. I drew one of those tags myself when I was younger (2004 or so) and have helped 3 other youth hunters who drew tags harvest their moose over the last few years. My own hunt and the other hunts I have been on were truly great hunts that will forever be ingrained in my memory and the other kids as well. I strongly oppose the proposal to reduce these tags. Youth hunts provide great initiative for newer hunters to become lifelong hunters, something very important in a world that continues to become more anti-hunting. I can understand if the units giving out the most youth tags (Mostly Mt. Spokane) have declining moose populations, but there are many other good units that could support youth tags. Heck I even think the overall number of youth moose tags should be increased. This is my own opinion on the matter, but I would suggest other hunters make their voices heard to oppose this proposal. I don't want to see a excellent youth opportunity that has been around for over 10 years disappear at the cost of todays and future youth hunters.  :twocents:
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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2018, 01:47:33 PM »
Someone told me years ago to prove that wolves will reduce hunter opportunity, seems I was right.

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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2018, 01:52:28 PM »
It's sad how they always seem to come back to restricting hunting opportunities for "Hunters 65 and Over, Disabled, or Youth"
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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2018, 02:12:59 PM »
All cow tags need to be taken away or we will not have a season in 3 years.


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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2018, 02:23:51 PM »
All cow tags need to be taken away or we will not have a season in 3 years.


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I'm assuming you know much more about NE WA moose populations than I do - seriously - so I'm not trying to argue.   I am trying to understand your comment. 

Haven't moose harvests remained fairly steady?
What makes you predict this catastrophic ending?
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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2018, 02:26:49 PM »
I agree with benhuntin


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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2018, 02:51:24 PM »
Iíve noticed a pretty big decline in moose in 101. I also talked to a border patrol agent who patrols that country and he said he has noticed a big drop off of moose numbers in that area too.

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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2018, 03:09:09 PM »
I donít know if it was a typo but one area gets a proposed 74 Antlerless permits! :yike:

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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2018, 04:07:32 PM »
What chaps my hide even more than the moose is they took away all of the late-season youth Whitetail doe hunting. I can't see any reason why they would do that. We continue to chip chip away equality opportunities for our youth. Our younger generation is the future of our hunting heritage and the greed of grown men will be the end of this past time that we love so much. We're literally chopping our own heads off.
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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2018, 04:27:10 PM »
What I commented to them,or why should youth suffer do to there mismanagement of predators.
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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2018, 04:37:57 PM »
All cow tags need to be taken away or we will not have a season in 3 years.


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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2018, 04:45:45 PM »
I've got to agree with benhuntin as well.  I have a 10 year old that I would LOVE to see draw a youth moose tag, but when I go home to visit family and friends (I grew up in Kettle Falls), the moose population just isn't there anymore.  My BIL works for the highway dept in Steven's Co.  He keeps an eye out for them, and has seen a drastic reduction in numbers.  2 of my buddies that are loggers (and have max points for moose) say the same thing.  We are all a little scared to draw a tag right now to be honest.  There are still bulls out there, but not nearly what there were 5 or 6 years ago.
The truth is that if the moose aren't at carrying capacity, you have to rebuild the population by not killing the cows.  Youth tags are cow tags.   :dunno:
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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2018, 05:04:49 PM »
What chaps my hide even more than the moose is they took away all of the late-season youth Whitetail doe hunting. I can't see any reason why they would do that. We continue to chip chip away equality opportunities for our youth. Our younger generation is the future of our hunting heritage and the greed of grown men will be the end of this past time that we love so much. We're literally chopping our own heads off.

I fully agree with this.  I understand cutting moose tag, but I think they should add additional deer and elk opportunities to compensate for this.  A doe deer is a trophy to most kids, anyways.  Would love to see a small number of youth antlerless tags added in each of the other westside units as well.

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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2018, 06:02:54 PM »
The most important thing is to rebuild moose numbers if they truly are down that much. But I really don't like that they plan to reduce the youth tags to just 1, from 18. Why not at least 3, or 5? It's almost not even worth my daughter applying for it now.

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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2018, 06:10:30 PM »
How many of you hunted moose before the age of 16?

I'd rather see very hard to draw permits like moose go to those who've applied for 20 plus years. Youth have an entire life ahead to draw.

Deer yes, but not moose.

If we're losing youth hunters because they can't hunt moose, they would quit anyway.
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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2018, 06:17:55 PM »
The best Washington moose hunting days have passed.   Iíve personally witnessed moose problems in other states, and a couple years ago I made a prediction (here on HW) that Washington would see the same fate.  This prediction was based off many similarities that I saw in varying locations(states).   Washington bios had their blinders on, and obviously werenít observing what was happening in other parts of the country, think Minnesota, New Hampshire,Maine, Vermont.  Too bad the college grad experts that studied this stuff canít make predictions...  theyíd rather wait till they can prove a problem exists. 

Wolves arenít your only problem with moose.   The ticks will kill more than wolves ever will.   
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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2018, 06:50:19 PM »
my moose comments to WDFW:

Disease and wolves are negatively impacting our moose herds in the northeast, it's a good idea to make the moose permits bulls only to save the cows that reproduce. I strongly suggest eliminating all cow harvest in all units experiencing wolf predation on the moose herd.
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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2018, 07:44:57 PM »
I don't consider moose to be an entry level animal for youth, especially being an OIL species in WA.  I'd rather see it be a disabled vet or senior hunt than a youth hunt, and only then if the carrying capacity of the land has been exceeded or met for a number of years and the cows need reduced.

Other than that, keep the predators at bay and build the herd, not shoot the breeders.

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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2018, 08:14:31 PM »
No surprise here the Wolves are decimating the moose. 

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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2018, 08:31:14 PM »
I drew the 2016 Mount Spokane North cow permit.  I made 4 scouting trips and spent 14 days afield and seen a total of 4 moose.  And I put a LOT of boot miles on all trips.  And glassed a million square miles probably.  I did get a moose but after a butt load of work.  My avatar shows my cow.  If I recall, there were 7 cow permits and 8 youth cow permits.  I have to admit that was way too many.  I am not in total agreement of eliminating all permits, but I would be an advocate of maybe 1 or 2 cow permits total in that area.  When I drew the permit I thought I'd see moose everywhere.  Not the case.  And, there are no wolves there, according to WDFW.
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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 08:34:46 PM »
No surprise here the Wolves are decimating the moose. 


Moose are and have been struggling in locations that are wolf free.  While wolves certainly will have an impact, itís the ticks WA should also  be concerned with. 

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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2018, 08:45:06 PM »
I drew the 2016 Mount Spokane North cow permit.  I made 4 scouting trips and spent 14 days afield and seen a total of 4 moose.  And I put a LOT of boot miles on all trips.  And glassed a million square miles probably.  I did get a moose but after a butt load of work.  My avatar shows my cow.  If I recall, there were 7 cow permits and 8 youth cow permits.  I have to admit that was way too many.  I am not in total agreement of eliminating all permits, but I would be an advocate of maybe 1 or 2 cow permits total in that area.  When I drew the permit I thought I'd see moose everywhere.  Not the case.  And, there are no wolves there, according to WDFW.

There are wolves on the Idaho side of the border in that exact area. I guess wdfw has been so accurate in documenting wolves I wouldnít second guess them on this one. I own property on the idaho side and can guarantee their are wolves there but they must not cross borders

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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2018, 08:47:27 PM »
ticks have been around forever, it's not a new player in the moose mortality cycle nor can we control them.  Wolves are new, and controllable.   

I suppose we could fly around darting moose with ivomec. 

Or we need more gray jays and magpies  :dunno:


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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2018, 08:55:43 PM »
No surprise here the Wolves are decimating the moose. 


Moose are and have been struggling in locations that are wolf free.  While wolves certainly will have an impact, itís the ticks WA should also  be concerned with.

I agree with the ticks being a factor but I also remember people on this exact site predictions that moose would be in serious decline when the wolves showed up in Washington and also Idaho. There was also a lot of members on this site saying the anti wolf crowd were blowing everything out of proportion and that everything would be fine. Their exact prediction was the need to limit hunter opportunities and tags. I guess the guys crying wolf werenít that far off after all.

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Re: Wdfw Proposal for reduced youth antlerless moose tags
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2018, 11:28:22 PM »
Give them to the kids.  Iíll give up my opportunity any day if it means either a better future or more opportunity for kids.


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