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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2018, 11:18:34 PM »
Now are these legal in Washington ? Thought I read that shot size has a limit of size 6 I thought. With this being 9 it could be a issue. Am I wrong or was it a old rule

The restriction is the other way, nothing is allowed larger than #4.

• Turkey hunters must use #4 shot or smaller (e.g., #6 shot).
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01972/wdfw01972.pdf

I think Bearpaw is correct,  but just read this and it looks like the regs are backwards.

They said it correctly, it says "Illegal other than shotguns with #4 or smaller shot", that means #4 or smaller is legal.

Ya I know, we almost have to be Philly Lawyers to understand this stuff...
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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2018, 08:32:01 PM »
Now are these legal in Washington ? Thought I read that shot size has a limit of size 6 I thought. With this being 9 it could be a issue. Am I wrong or was it a old rule

The restriction is the other way, nothing is allowed larger than #4.

• Turkey hunters must use #4 shot or smaller (e.g., #6 shot).
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01972/wdfw01972.pdf

I think Bearpaw is correct,  but just read this and it looks like the regs are backwards.

They said it correctly, it says "Illegal other than shotguns with #4 or smaller shot", that means #4 or smaller is legal.

Ya I know, we almost have to be Philly Lawyers to understand this stuff...
4 shot and smaller, been that way for years.


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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2018, 10:05:29 AM »
Rogers had then, 30 a box and something like 15 shipping.


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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2018, 12:50:47 PM »
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today.  I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5.  Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads.  Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same.  It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.

Anyways I didn't find any.  If I did I'd pattern them and use them.

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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2018, 12:52:09 PM »
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today.  I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5.  Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads.  Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same.  It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.

Anyways I didn't find any.  If I did I'd pattern them and use them.

Good luck finding it, most places are sold out


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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2018, 08:28:46 PM »
Interesting video about these tss loads:

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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2018, 09:38:15 AM »
I found out there are three companies loading tss, Federal and two lesser known companies. Almost everyone is sold out, I found one company in Kentucky that has a new shipment in of federal 3" #9. It costs about $10 per round!  :yike:

https://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=131506

I couldn't get their website cart to work, you have to call them to order: 1-502-348-3594
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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2018, 10:03:07 AM »
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today.  I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5.  Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads.  Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same.  It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.

Anyways I didn't find any.  If I did I'd pattern them and use them.

 Are they denser than lead ? Space occupied ...

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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2018, 10:35:22 AM »
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today.  I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5.  Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads.  Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same.  It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.

Anyways I didn't find any.  If I did I'd pattern them and use them.

 Are they denser than lead ? Space occupied ...

https://www.range365.com/new-turkey-shells-from-federal-premium#page-5


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Yes, the old HEAVYWEIGHT loads are gone, so here’s a bit about the TSS, or Tungsten Super Shot, which is already a part of Federal’s 3rd Degree loads introduced in the past few years.

Federal says the TSS shot is more than 20 percent denser than its previous HeaveyWeight shot, which has a density of about 15 grams per cm3. Additionally, tungsten is 56 percent denser than lead.

“TSS is an allow comprised primarily of tungsten. It has a density of 18 grams per cubic centimeter and is harder than steel. The increased density retains velocity, and the hardness prevents pellet deformation, which improves pattern efficiency and penetration.”


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Federal says a No. 9 HEAVYWEIGHT TSS pellet carries at least as much penetration energy as a No. 5 lead pellet at all ranges.

That means you can up the pellet count, without making the hull longer, which in turn leads to better pattern density.

A 13/16-ounce load of No. 9 TSS has about 295 pellets, and a 1-1/8-ounce load carries about 408 pellets. A 2-ounce load of No. 4 lead only has about 270 pellets. That’s a significant difference.

Here are some more eye-popping numbers:

A 1-1/2-ounce load of No. 7 TSS has 282 pellets

A 1-3/4-ounce load has 330 pellets

A 2-1/4-ounce lod has 423 pellets

With No.9 TSS shot, a 1-3/-ounce load has 635 pellets, and a 2-1/4-ounce load has a staggering 814 pellets.
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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2018, 12:50:42 PM »
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today.  I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5.  Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads.  Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same.  It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.

Anyways I didn't find any.  If I did I'd pattern them and use them.

 Are they denser than lead ? Space occupied ...

https://www.range365.com/new-turkey-shells-from-federal-premium#page-5


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Yes, the old HEAVYWEIGHT loads are gone, so here’s a bit about the TSS, or Tungsten Super Shot, which is already a part of Federal’s 3rd Degree loads introduced in the past few years.

Federal says the TSS shot is more than 20 percent denser than its previous HeaveyWeight shot, which has a density of about 15 grams per cm3. Additionally, tungsten is 56 percent denser than lead.

“TSS is an allow comprised primarily of tungsten. It has a density of 18 grams per cubic centimeter and is harder than steel. The increased density retains velocity, and the hardness prevents pellet deformation, which improves pattern efficiency and penetration.”


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Federal says a No. 9 HEAVYWEIGHT TSS pellet carries at least as much penetration energy as a No. 5 lead pellet at all ranges.

That means you can up the pellet count, without making the hull longer, which in turn leads to better pattern density.

A 13/16-ounce load of No. 9 TSS has about 295 pellets, and a 1-1/8-ounce load carries about 408 pellets. A 2-ounce load of No. 4 lead only has about 270 pellets. That’s a significant difference.

Here are some more eye-popping numbers:

A 1-1/2-ounce load of No. 7 TSS has 282 pellets

A 1-3/4-ounce load has 330 pellets

A 2-1/4-ounce lod has 423 pellets

With No.9 TSS shot, a 1-3/-ounce load has 635 pellets, and a 2-1/4-ounce load has a staggering 814 pellets.
The companies that load it are
Apex
Nitro
Federal


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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2018, 04:09:19 PM »
 :yeah: I bet there will be more next year, those brands are all sold out almost everywhere., but most other cartridges are in stock.
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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2018, 05:06:23 PM »
I dropped a bunch of loot on several different shells to pattern for my son.  By far, the best pattern was Winchester XR Longbeards which also happen to be half the cost of most of the premium loads and that's just fine for me.

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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2018, 06:59:56 PM »
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today.  I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5.  Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads.  Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same.  It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.

Anyways I didn't find any.  If I did I'd pattern them and use them.

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I found out there are three companies loading tss, Federal and two lesser known companies. Almost everyone is sold out, I found one company in Kentucky that has a new shipment in of federal 3" #9. It costs about $10 per round!  :yike:

https://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=131506

I couldn't get their website cart to work, you have to call them to order: 1-502-348-3594

The shot alone is running about $3.10/oz. for handloaders.  For my 20 gauge, I can roll 1-1/2 oz loads @ 4.80/ea. or 1-5/8 oz @ $5.25 and they're on my shelf :)

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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2018, 07:46:06 PM »
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today.  I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5.  Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads.  Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same.  It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.

Anyways I didn't find any.  If I did I'd pattern them and use them.
 

   

 Are they denser than lead ? Space occupied ...

https://www.range365.com/new-turkey-shells-from-federal-premium#page-5


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Yes, the old HEAVYWEIGHT loads are gone, so here’s a bit about the TSS, or Tungsten Super Shot, which is already a part of Federal’s 3rd Degree loads introduced in the past few years.

Federal says the TSS shot is more than 20 percent denser than its previous HeaveyWeight shot, which has a density of about 15 grams per cm3. Additionally, tungsten is 56 percent denser than lead.

“TSS is an allow comprised primarily of tungsten. It has a density of 18 grams per cubic centimeter and is harder than steel. The increased density retains velocity, and the hardness prevents pellet deformation, which improves pattern efficiency and penetration.”


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Federal says a No. 9 HEAVYWEIGHT TSS pellet carries at least as much penetration energy as a No. 5 lead pellet at all ranges.

That means you can up the pellet count, without making the hull longer, which in turn leads to better pattern density.

A 13/16-ounce load of No. 9 TSS has about 295 pellets, and a 1-1/8-ounce load carries about 408 pellets. A 2-ounce load of No. 4 lead only has about 270 pellets. That’s a significant difference.

Here are some more eye-popping numbers:

A 1-1/2-ounce load of No. 7 TSS has 282 pellets

A 1-3/4-ounce load has 330 pellets

A 2-1/4-ounce lod has 423 pellets

With No.9 TSS shot, a 1-3/-ounce load has 635 pellets, and a 2-1/4-ounce load has a staggering 814 pellets.
The companies that load it are
Apex
Nitro
Federal


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       I get it, that was my point originally . Thanks for all the info though .

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Re: Federal tss turkey loads
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2018, 06:15:59 PM »

Finally showed up now to pattern  them in the morning


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