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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2018, 10:50:59 PM »
but it's irrelevant to the topic of feds withdrawing funds
the feds can withdraw all they want if the state was fining accordingly.if it cost the state 2 million a year to run,(way more just an example)then the state needs to match that in fines from poachers and other violations plus licenses and fees pertaining to WDFW.That's business 101.
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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2018, 10:58:19 PM »
but it's irrelevant to the topic of feds withdrawing funds
the feds can withdraw all they want if the state was fining accordingly.if it cost the state 2 million a year to run,(way more just an example)then the state needs to match that in fines from poachers and other violations plus licenses and fees pertaining to WDFW.That's business 101.
The fines go to the county coffers and not back to WDFW.

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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2018, 11:01:48 PM »
All of it?If so still the county that makes the money don't need as much from the state.The counties that make the most have the most problems and can get more enforcement.There just has to be a way to make it all work at a state level somehow.
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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2018, 11:03:38 PM »
All of it?
99% of it. The only thing that doesn't are civil fines related to big game poaching. All criminal fines go to the county.

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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2018, 11:06:21 PM »
Poaching is poaching,I wish all poaching was penalized the same.  :twocents:
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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2018, 11:28:21 PM »
There's a lot of waste at noaa enforcement,a few years ago there was an article written about the waste. My numbers aren't correct but there was something like 3-4 vehicles for every agent working,there was a 80' luxury vessel bought and called an enforcement vessel.  It needs to be cleaned up.

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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2018, 11:41:39 PM »
There's a lot of waste at noaa enforcement,a few years ago there was an article written about the waste. My numbers aren't correct but there was something like 3-4 vehicles for every agent working,there was a 80' luxury vessel bought and called an enforcement vessel.  It needs to be cleaned up.

Drive by any forest service district office, (or any other government office) there will be a huge amount of vehicles and people employed there doing something? Mostly figuring out ways to keep the public from using the forest! For some reason they can't even grade a road in the forest anymore, if there is a washout they just shut down the road indefinitely. I'm all for cleaning up a lot of these agencies, for once someone needs to cut their budgets and make them learn to live within the financial means of the United States like the rest of us have had to do!  DRAIN THE SWAMP! :twocents:
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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2018, 11:52:05 PM »
There's a lot of waste at noaa enforcement,a few years ago there was an article written about the waste. My numbers aren't correct but there was something like 3-4 vehicles for every agent working,there was a 80' luxury vessel bought and called an enforcement vessel.  It needs to be cleaned up.
Drive by any forest service district office, (or any other government office) there will be a huge amount of vehicles and people employed there doing something? Mostly figuring out ways to keep the public from using the forest! For some reason they can't even grade a road in the forest anymore, if there is a washout they just shut down the road indefinitely. I'm all for cleaning up a lot of these agencies, for once someone needs to cut their budgets and make them learn to live within the financial means of the United States like the rest of us have had to do!  DRAIN THE SWAMP! :twocents:
I hope you realize the local "ground pounders" aren't the ones who are "figuring out ways to keep the public from using the forest!" in fact most politicians who speak out against land management agencies say its not the local employees but rather those at HQ.

In terms of Trump's proposed budge for the USFS, the biggest cuts are in the portion of the USFS we don't think about. Such as the state & private forestry programs, research, and maintenance. The actual "National Forest System" portion of the USFS is looking pretty healthy under the Trump budget.

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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2018, 11:53:18 PM »
There's a lot of waste at noaa enforcement,a few years ago there was an article written about the waste. My numbers aren't correct but there was something like 3-4 vehicles for every agent working,there was a 80' luxury vessel bought and called an enforcement vessel.  It needs to be cleaned up.
That was almost 10 years ago and it's been cleaned up. Three directors later, almost an entirely new workforce and a smaller budget from Congress. They got slapped pretty hard.

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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2018, 11:55:34 PM »
There's a lot of waste at noaa enforcement,a few years ago there was an article written about the waste. My numbers aren't correct but there was something like 3-4 vehicles for every agent working,there was a 80' luxury vessel bought and called an enforcement vessel.  It needs to be cleaned up.
Drive by any forest service district office, (or any other government office) there will be a huge amount of vehicles and people employed there doing something? Mostly figuring out ways to keep the public from using the forest! For some reason they can't even grade a road in the forest anymore, if there is a washout they just shut down the road indefinitely. I'm all for cleaning up a lot of these agencies, for once someone needs to cut their budgets and make them learn to live within the financial means of the United States like the rest of us have had to do!  DRAIN THE SWAMP! :twocents:
I hope you realize the local "ground pounders" aren't the ones who are "figuring out ways to keep the public from using the forest!" in fact most politicians who speak out against land management agencies say its not the local employees but rather those at HQ.
:yeah:

Funny thing is there are fewer government workers employed by the fed land management agencies the past 5 years then there has been for decades. Blame declining budgets, budgets being diverted to wildfires, and other reasons as the cause.

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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2018, 01:43:21 AM »
Fire fighters aren't government employees? What agency stopped logging which resulted in over aged forests?

During the last decade many Americans have lost jobs, taken pay cuts, reduced their lifestyles, lost their business, lost their retirements, lost their homes, lost their health insurance, and have barely made ends meet. At the same time politicians and government workers have experienced pay increases and free healthcare. A little correction is not unreasonable. I doubt we'll see any full scale correction, but many people are going to be happy to see any correction that happens, even if it may not seem fair to some people. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger telling you the way it is!  :twocents:
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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2018, 05:17:08 AM »
Fire fighters aren't government employees? What agency stopped logging which resulted in over aged forests?

During the last decade many Americans have lost jobs, taken pay cuts, reduced their lifestyles, lost their business, lost their retirements, lost their homes, lost their health insurance, and have barely made ends meet. At the same time politicians and government workers have experienced pay increases and free healthcare. A little correction is not unreasonable. I doubt we'll see any full scale correction, but many people are going to be happy to see any correction that happens, even if it may not seem fair to some people. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger telling you the way it is!  :twocents:
Free health care for fed employees.  I must have missed that day because I haven't seen it.

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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2018, 06:00:02 AM »
"In WA this comes to about a million dollars a year which fully funds three WDFW Officer positions and the vehicle/vessel maintenance, fuel, etc to deal with federal fisheries enforcement."

I don't think I am the only one surprised to learn here that for $1 million, the government only gets 3 guys and a boat for our money.

At that rate, I am inclined to say privatize it and incentivize citizen co-enforcement of it.

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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2018, 07:40:23 AM »
Fire fighters aren't government employees? What agency stopped logging which resulted in over aged forests?

During the last decade many Americans have lost jobs, taken pay cuts, reduced their lifestyles, lost their business, lost their retirements, lost their homes, lost their health insurance, and have barely made ends meet. At the same time politicians and government workers have experienced pay increases and free healthcare. A little correction is not unreasonable. I doubt we'll see any full scale correction, but many people are going to be happy to see any correction that happens, even if it may not seem fair to some people. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger telling you the way it is!  :twocents:
Free health care for fed employees.  I must have missed that day because I haven't seen it.

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Re: Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2018, 07:41:22 AM »
"In WA this comes to about a million dollars a year which fully funds three WDFW Officer positions and the vehicle/vessel maintenance, fuel, etc to deal with federal fisheries enforcement."

I don't think I am the only one surprised to learn here that for $1 million, the government only gets 3 guys and a boat for our money.

At that rate, I am inclined to say privatize it and incentivize citizen co-enforcement of it.
Where did I say A boat?

You apparently missed where I said it equated to 6 officers... but fully funded 3 positions

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