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Don't forget your multi-season application
« on: March 22, 2018, 09:37:10 PM »
Just nine days left to submit an application for MS Deer (and elk, if you're feeling lucky).
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2018, 09:40:15 PM »
Thanks for the reminder. Submitted mine back in january  :tup: got two point now hoping for a draw!

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2018, 10:05:48 PM »
Just nine days left to submit an application for MS Deer (and elk, if you're feeling lucky).
I just put in for my MS elk today lol! I completely forgot about it until today... then was reading the forum and the light bulb flickered on. Messaged all my buddies to remind them as well!

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2018, 04:50:52 AM »
Its not worth the money

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2018, 07:33:51 AM »
Don't remind people, it hurts your odds.. :chuckle:

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2018, 09:38:24 AM »
4 points for MS Elk

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2018, 10:02:12 AM »
Don't remind people, it hurts your odds.

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2018, 05:39:19 PM »
I just double checked today and realized that I paid for the permits but never went back onto the website to select the permits. 

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2018, 06:04:33 PM »
I'm not sure i understand this  :yeah:
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2018, 06:12:48 PM »
I'm not sure i understand this  :yeah:

Apparently its the same as a special hunt application. You have to buy the permit then go back and select the specific hunt you want.  Seems kind of ridiculous because in the case of the multi season deer there is only one selection.

I bought mine online.  If you buy it at a vendor it’s probably not an issue.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2018, 06:21:21 PM »
Ok i bought mine at a vendor.  :tup:
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2018, 06:30:42 PM »
If you buy but dot submit it you are automatically in. The option is really only for points if you dont wanna draw but build points

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2018, 07:17:24 PM »
If you buy but dot submit it you are automatically in. The option is really only for points if you dont wanna draw but build points

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Thanks, good to know.

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2018, 07:29:35 PM »
Just nine days left to submit an application for MS Deer (and elk, if you're feeling lucky).

Thanks. Bought both in December. Feel like I’m getting old waiting for the draw!

Is it camping/hunting/funning season yet??
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2018, 11:15:19 PM »
Not for you.  Get back to work!  I'll tell you when it's time to tune up your mountain bike.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2018, 07:34:04 AM »
If you buy but dot submit it you are automatically in. The option is really only for points if you dont wanna draw but build points

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I had to log on and go to special permits and then either choose points option or click on multiseason and submit it.  :dunno:
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2018, 08:06:31 AM »
If you buy but dot submit it you are automatically in. The option is really only for points if you dont wanna draw but build points

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I had to log on and go to special permits and then either choose points option or click on multiseason and submit it.  :dunno:
If you hadn't it would have been automatically submitted.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2018, 09:15:06 AM »
If you buy but dot submit it you are automatically in. The option is really only for points if you dont wanna draw but build points

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I had to log on and go to special permits and then either choose points option or click on multiseason and submit it.  :dunno:
If you hadn't it would have been automatically submitted.
:tup: Good to know, I didn't want to risk it.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2018, 09:23:56 AM »
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2018, 09:28:30 AM »
Anyone know how many applied last year?
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2018, 09:59:46 AM »
I found it, 13,811 applicants.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2018, 10:10:39 AM »
I've always thought i was pretty good with math but i'm stumped.Anyone.

WITH 1000 tags and 14000 applicants you have about a 7%chance of drawing.

How much does this % rise with each point you have?
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2018, 10:21:07 AM »
With my Wyoming tag I just switched to ghost points only, your odds just went up!  :tup:   I will have 7 points after the draw, so in for 8 next year.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2018, 10:33:05 AM »
I've always thought i was pretty good with math but i'm stumped.Anyone.

WITH 1000 tags and 14000 applicants you have about a 7%chance of drawing.

How much does this % rise with each point you have?

You would need to lookup how many points each of the other applicants has and then square them.  Then, you take all of your points squared as well as the number of tags and do a ton of math where you add up all the chances you will draw a random number low enough to draw a tag.  In other words, it is a ton of work to get to your true odds.

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2018, 10:38:31 AM »
Got it,Yeah i think that's why i was having trouble with the math,Way to many variables and a ton of math.Thanks.   :tup:
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2018, 11:06:38 AM »
In 2017 there were 12,817 applications for 1,000 multi-season elk permits. The average applicant had 3.23 points. There were 133,604 “names in the hat”.  You can get a somewhat accurate estimate of draw odds by squaring your points, dividing by 133,604, and multiplying by 1,000.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2018, 12:49:18 PM »
lol mine still comes out at around 7% with all that math.  :tup:
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2018, 02:48:02 PM »
In 2017 there were 12,817 applications for 1,000 multi-season elk permits. The average applicant had 3.23 points. There were 133,604 “names in the hat”.  You can get a somewhat accurate estimate of draw odds by squaring your points, dividing by 133,604, and multiplying by 1,000.
How did you calculate “names in the hat”???

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2018, 02:56:00 PM »
The data comes from this site: https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2017.php

This gives the number of applicants with each point level.

You need to square the points and multiply them times the number of applicants for each level, and then sum them.

For example, the data shows that two applicants had 11 points. Each had 121 names in the hat (11x11). Multiplying 11 times the 2 applicants means that applicants with 11 points had a total of 242 names “in the hat”.

I copy the data, paste it into Excel, and do the math.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2018, 03:19:39 PM »
I've got sour grapes over WDFW multi season tags after having my points taken away due to their mistake, and then when I called them they didn't even care. I will never apply again, makes me mad as hell to even think about this. All that money in applications and the opportunity was just taken away due to their mistake.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2018, 03:32:54 PM »
The data comes from this site: https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2017.php

This gives the number of applicants with each point level.

You need to square the points and multiply them times the number of applicants for each level, and then sum them.

For example, the data shows that two applicants had 11 points. Each had 121 names in the hat (11x11). Multiplying 11 times the 2 applicants means that applicants with 11 points had a total of 242 names “in the hat”.

I copy the data, paste it into Excel, and do the math.
With these numbers are the group numbers taken into account already?This chart really shows how the odds drop with the more points you have.  :yike:looks like 4 points is the best place to be.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2018, 03:59:56 PM »
More points = more names in the hat = better chance of drawing.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2018, 04:03:12 PM »
except there is only 242 names in the hat with 11 points and over 24k in the hat with just 4 points.odds are in favor of the people with 4 points.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2018, 04:44:55 PM »
except there is only 242 names in the hat with 11 points and over 24k in the hat with just 4 points.odds are in favor of the people with 4 points.
I don't think you are getting the math. The guys with 11 points still have a higher % chance of being draw due to the fact that there names are on more cards in the hat than any other individual. Now the odds of being drawn in the groups of 3, 4, and 5 points are high but that's only because of how many people applied in with those point groups. Its an algorithm to be honest. Reason being is that every time someone from one of the groups the number changes and thus the chances change. Its a pain in the ass to figure out especially since you don't know which names are drawn and how many points they had. Good news though.. I foresee it being the same as the past 2-3 years where they end up selling a bunch over the counter. Only issue with that is they sell them out within 5 minutes for elk. Deer I could have picked one up a couple weeks after they sold otc!

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2018, 05:06:56 PM »
I WISH IT WAS: BUY TAG FOR MULTI WITHOUT BUYING LICENSE IF DRAWN DRAWN ALREADY PAID FOR.REIMBURSE THE REST.PUT IN FOR ALL SPECIAL HUNT PERMITS AND BUY OTHER LICENSES NEEDED FOR SEASON AFTER MULTI SEASON DRAW.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2018, 06:01:26 PM »
except there is only 242 names in the hat with 11 points and over 24k in the hat with just 4 points.odds are in favor of the people with 4 points.
I don't think you are getting the math. The guys with 11 points still have a higher % chance of being draw due to the fact that there names are on more cards in the hat than any other individual. Now the odds of being drawn in the groups of 3, 4, and 5 points are high but that's only because of how many people applied in with those point groups. Its an algorithm to be honest. Reason being is that every time someone from one of the groups the number changes and thus the chances change. Its a pain in the ass to figure out especially since you don't know which names are drawn and how many points they had. Good news though.. I foresee it being the same as the past 2-3 years where they end up selling a bunch over the counter. Only issue with that is they sell them out within 5 minutes for elk. Deer I could have picked one up a couple weeks after they sold otc!

There was a few over 50 MS elk tags left over last year that sold out in a few seconds.  (Think about every vender pushing a button at the same moment.)  I got one of them.  It took about 15 minutes for the system to grind them out.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2018, 06:08:57 PM »
except there is only 242 names in the hat with 11 points and over 24k in the hat with just 4 points.odds are in favor of the people with 4 points.
I don't think you are getting the math. The guys with 11 points still have a higher % chance of being draw due to the fact that there names are on more cards in the hat than any other individual. Now the odds of being drawn in the groups of 3, 4, and 5 points are high but that's only because of how many people applied in with those point groups. Its an algorithm to be honest. Reason being is that every time someone from one of the groups the number changes and thus the chances change. Its a pain in the ass to figure out especially since you don't know which names are drawn and how many points they had. Good news though.. I foresee it being the same as the past 2-3 years where they end up selling a bunch over the counter. Only issue with that is they sell them out within 5 minutes for elk. Deer I could have picked one up a couple weeks after they sold otc!

There was a few over 50 MS elk tags left over last year that sold out in a few seconds.  (Think about every vender pushing a button at the same moment.)  I got one of them.  It took about 15 minutes for the system to grind them out.
Tell me if I'm wrong but they let anyone buy them at that point right?

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2018, 06:11:53 PM »
only people that applied. tick - tock
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2018, 06:22:32 PM »

only people that applied. tick - tock
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2018, 06:32:16 PM »
I WISH IT WAS: BUY TAG FOR MULTI WITHOUT BUYING LICENSE IF DRAWN DRAWN ALREADY PAID FOR.REIMBURSE THE REST.PUT IN FOR ALL SPECIAL HUNT PERMITS AND BUY OTHER LICENSES NEEDED FOR SEASON AFTER MULTI SEASON DRAW.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2018, 06:42:06 PM »
my laptop is 14 years old,sometimes it hangs.  :tup: why rewrite just because all caps
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2018, 06:43:13 PM »
oh wait,IM NOT YELLING,IM SIMPLY SPEAKING AT A LEVEL FOR ALL TO HEAR SO EVERYBODY CAN LEARN FROM THESE MISTAKES.  :chuckle: private.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2018, 09:17:31 AM »
Does anyone know how long after today before they post the results?

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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2018, 10:41:47 AM »
Does anyone know how long after today before they post the results?
If I remember right it should only be a couple weeks.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2018, 11:10:09 AM »
i think its usually 9th or 10th.  But you never know.
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Re: Don't forget your multi-season application
« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2018, 10:36:06 PM »
Thanks, now just to wait impatiently.

 

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Landscapes (pics) by NOCK NOCK
[Today at 08:01:13 AM]


canvas wall tent by outdooraddict
[Today at 08:01:13 AM]


Mmmmmmm by NOCK NOCK
[Today at 07:58:52 AM]


Looking for Giants! by CAMPMEAT
[Today at 07:57:46 AM]


Texture by NOCK NOCK
[Today at 07:56:58 AM]


Serious DIY elk hunters for all western states by hoytxl2009
[Today at 07:56:54 AM]


Advice related to Toyota Tundra Crew Cab 5.7 4x4 purchase by Sneaky
[Today at 07:54:53 AM]


Draws are complete...what does your fall look like? by Wolfdog2314
[Today at 07:52:09 AM]


Badlands clothing. by konradcountry
[Today at 07:49:26 AM]


MAX POINT BLANK RANGE for my Smith Corona 1903a3 for bear hunting by Okanagan
[Today at 07:31:41 AM]


Anybody ever build one of these? by Jpmiller
[Today at 07:14:16 AM]


FS: Sportsman generator 1500w *price drop* by Hemlock
[Today at 06:58:32 AM]


2018 Area 9 and 10 Summer Kings by h20hunter
[Today at 05:01:53 AM]


High Buck Hunt by zackmioli
[Today at 01:17:28 AM]