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Author Topic: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017  (Read 789 times)

Offline Ghost Hunter

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OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« on: April 15, 2018, 09:09:05 AM »
Any Moose - 10% decrease to 56,761 applicants; Any ram - 10% increase to 38,842 applicants; Goat - less than 1% decrease to 30,726 applicants.

MS deer and elk applicants roughly 13,000.

Is this an indicator on number of out of state applicants for OIL's?
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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2018, 09:59:16 AM »
Indicator that Moose numbers and quality are going down.


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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 03:55:22 PM »
Charge for tags up front and you will see a marked decrease is my guess.

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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 04:17:41 PM »
I think people are starting to realize that the species/category/points game is BS.

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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2018, 04:21:04 PM »
Moose, bighorn sheep, and mountain goat permits should NEVER have been included in the point system. Not sure who ever would have thought it was good idea?

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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 04:27:25 PM »
bobcat can you expand on why? Genuine question, not setting up an argument. Thx.

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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2018, 04:38:41 PM »
Because there aren't nearly enough tags relative to the number of applicants every year to clear out those at the top.


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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2018, 04:44:05 PM »
Because there aren't nearly enough tags relative to the number of applicants every year to clear out those at the top.

You could say that about a lot of the draw tags.


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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2018, 04:48:08 PM »
Because there aren't nearly enough tags relative to the number of applicants every year to clear out those at the top.

You could say that about a lot of the draw tags.

And that, my friends, is exactly the point!

If the "points system" does not result in a stable or diminishing number of applicants every year, then it is bound to fail.  The Washington points-for-special-hunts system is indeed a failure.

BobCat is right, in that moose/sheep/goats have ridiculously few tags compared to the number of hunters.  But the same is actually true for almost all categories of hunts.  The single exception that I can think of is the special draw for turkey.
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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2018, 07:21:30 PM »
Moose, bighorn sheep, and mountain goat permits should NEVER have been included in the point system. Not sure who ever would have thought it was good idea?

And you shouldn't be able to apply without buying a license.   Or paying up front.  Or limit to one OIL app per year.  I know I would focus on one.  The numbers show more getting in than out of the game.  With 19-20 points, I'll keep playing until I can't remember to.
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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2018, 07:25:34 PM »
Moose, bighorn sheep, and mountain goat permits should NEVER have been included in the point system. Not sure who ever would have thought it was good idea?

And you shouldn't be able to apply without buying a license.   Or paying up front.  Or limit to one OIL app per year.  I know I would focus on one.  The numbers show more getting in than out of the game.  With 19-20 points, I'll keep playing until I can't remember to.

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Re: OIL applicant #'s 2016 - 2017
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2018, 07:33:09 PM »
Moose, bighorn sheep, and mountain goat permits should NEVER have been included in the point system. Not sure who ever would have thought it was good idea?

And you shouldn't be able to apply without buying a license.   Or paying up front.  Or limit to one OIL app per year.  I know I would focus on one.  The numbers show more getting in than out of the game.  With 19-20 points, I'll keep playing until I can't remember to.

You may have to zip tie a scabbard on the walker.

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