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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2018, 11:00:27 AM »
Region 3 fills all quotas except in 371 and 372 for cougars. This year those were met also which was suprising due to land ownership.
You brought up the threat to humans and used the liberal tactics, "they are dangerous" even though few people are ever killed. (AR-15s are dangerous but kill few people..better ban them!) Argue valid points or I 'll continue to but thing into prespective..

Lots of region 3 still open for Cougar hunting.....

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/cougar/

Region 3 is all units starting with the number 3.. all closed.

Wrong again.
Look at the 8th row in the link. There are 300 series units listed as OPEN
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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2018, 11:09:44 AM »
Two men followed a pack of 7 wolves for 13 days and found 7 FRESH elk kills off the road they were traveling on snow mobiles. Not looking in the woods, drainagaes, etc.
1 medium pack, 13 days, 7 bull elk killed.
I think your computer numbers statiscal *censored* is nowhere close to what is actually happening in the woods.
Let's believe the wdfw in what they say, look at all the people believing the
harvest stats that wdfw just posted. It blows my mind that people think those numbers are accurate.



Did your buddies check for bullet holes in those elk?  Wolves are so successful at hunting.. that is why they ate all the plastic coating off  extension cords at my buddies cabin in Alaska one winter. lol
As for believing those in the "feild", my buddy has over 50 years living with and trapping wolves in Alaska. Yeah I know Alaska wolves are completely different than Washington wolves.. Again..lol

Not my buddies...
Hard to check for bullet holes when they eat and break rib, leg, face and other bones when eating,  I thought you would know that wolves did that when eating kills in the winter when needing all the feed they can get, being the expert you are.
Call your Alaskan buddy, he can educate you more.
Sounds like you should venture out in the field; haven't been there in a while have you?

Over 60 days in the wilds this year and I don't mean traveling down man made roads on motorized machines.  For those literal minded people, my point is, wolves are scavengers and not always the cause of death in animals.
This brings me to another point. When talking to a WDFW enforcement officer he estimated poaching takes as many animals as legal hunting in Region 3. A YPD police officer I spoke with backed this claim somewhat by telling me the dumpsters in east Yakima often have deer carcusses in them. Businesses find them regularly.. Makes one think that new "Immigrants" aren't following the hunting laws?
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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2018, 11:15:07 AM »
Region 3 fills all quotas except in 371 and 372 for cougars. This year those were met also which was suprising due to land ownership.
You brought up the threat to humans and used the liberal tactics, "they are dangerous" even though few people are ever killed. (AR-15s are dangerous but kill few people..better ban them!) Argue valid points or I 'll continue to but thing into prespective..

Lots of region 3 still open for Cougar hunting.....

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/cougar/

Region 3 is all units starting with the number 3.. all closed.

Wrong again.
Look at the 8th row in the link. There are 300 series units listed as OPEN
Didn't see that.. I stand corrected. I swore I looked up 371 and 372 in January and they were closed??? I even quit carrying my rifle in the truck.

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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2018, 11:54:06 PM »
I'll put you in the non-thinking, emotional and irrational category along with all the westside liberals..

Wolf kills on deer and elk, 6000 max.
Cougar kills on deer and elk, 85,000 min.

Yeah, I'm the one who isn't thinking clearly..

Do you want me to estimate bears and coyotes for you?  lol
Well said amigo.

Cats are the issue in this state...and by a long shot.

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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2018, 04:43:22 AM »
Yeah, wolves aren’t impacting ungulates that bad.


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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2018, 07:03:08 AM »
Yeah, wolves aren’t impacting ungulates that bad.


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And now permits are down 50% in some units, where is the explanation for that?   Was it the horrible winter we had??  (sarcasm)!  And if the wdfw can calculate wolf kills accurately , they are super human!
“In common with”..... not so much!!

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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2018, 07:21:47 AM »
Yeah, wolves aren’t impacting ungulates that bad.


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And now permits are down 50% in some units, where is the explanation for that?   Was it the horrible winter we had??  (sarcasm)!  And if the wdfw can calculate wolf kills accurately , they are super human!

It's the cougars' fault. Haven't you been reading the thread?  :bash:
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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2018, 08:10:46 AM »
https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/


Yippee!  WDFW just recognized a new pack in the Blues!
The “Grouse Flats Pack.” 

This should help ungulate numbers, in an already stressed area.

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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2018, 09:26:58 AM »

I live in the blues...watch bulls year round from my living room. 


If the Elk are suffering a harsh winter and can't keep up the extra energy needed to evade constant harassment from wolves, did the winter kill them? or did the wolves kill them?

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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2018, 09:34:48 AM »
I'll put you in the non-thinking, emotional and irrational category along with all the westside liberals..

Wolf kills on deer and elk, 6000 max.
Cougar kills on deer and elk, 85,000 min.

Yeah, I'm the one who isn't thinking clearly..

Do you want me to estimate bears and coyotes for you?  lol
I agree with some of your points here but your math is skewed,You didn't do any figures on wolf kills for just killing.Bears,Coyotes and Cats don't just kill for sport,Wolves do.
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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2018, 09:37:47 AM »
find a bunch of elk laying dead in the snow I bet a bunch of them have bite marks, wolves will drag them down and they die in the snow then off to the next one that didn't run far due to low energy reserves.

oh but it's all winter kill........2016 was such a harsh winter



give me a break  :rolleyes:  2016 wasn't even a hard winter

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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2018, 09:42:48 AM »


Wolf kills on deer and elk, 6000 max.
Cougar kills on deer and elk, 85,000 min.

Yeah, I'm the one who isn't thinking clearly..

Do you want me to estimate bears and coyotes for you?  lol
I agree with some of your points here but your math is skewed,You didn't do any figures on wolf kills for just killing.Bears,Coyotes and Cats don't just kill for sport,Wolves do.
The numbers are meaningless.

He's correct that all predators need attention, we can hunt cats, bears and coyote, we can't hunt the wolf.  WDFW has an asinine cougar quota plan and restricts bear hunting far too much.  We need better management of all predators and we need state driven management of wolves or full de-listing and a season put on them.

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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2018, 09:54:23 AM »
The combination of site predators like wolves, and large numbers of ambush predators cougars make for a deadly combination.

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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2018, 10:19:45 AM »

They are out right now collecting and marking moose for population estimates.  They have seen such increases in moose numbers they are INCREASING moose permits 20%.  All moose hunting is in NE Wa where wolves are at the highest densities.  Overall moose numbers are increasing though (and we all know moose are a primary food for wolves)...so I guess what you are saying is at high densities wolves alter game behavior but do not usually cause any sort of declines in game abundance?...even with lots of wolves running around up in NE Wa, you agree the primary effect is a benefit to hunters.  We totally agree...the relative impact of wolves on game abundance and availability to hunters is insignificant...there will continue to be lots of deer, elk, moose hunting throughout Washington regardless of wolves.  Killing them will help with depredation issues and increase social tolerance...but even if they never de-list them it will not have a substantial impact to hunting. :tup:

You were sooo right in 2014, we should have all listened to you  :chuckle:

Wolves make hunting better  :tup:



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Re: Wolf supporters, you happy ?
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2018, 10:27:41 AM »
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