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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2009, 02:29:02 PM »
The difference between Boone and Crockett and S.C.I. is basically B.C. scoring system tries to make a PERFECT rack out of the animals antler's while it's being scored. S.C.I. doesn't.

Basically, the difference between SCI scoring and B&C scoring, is that SCI does not deduct for horns or antlers not being symmetrical.

Where this hurts the score is the case where a point or tine exists on one one side, but the corresponding point either didn't grow as long or was broken on the other side. Under the B&C scoring, the lengths of both of these points would be entered, then the difference in their length would be subtracted from the sub-total. Under the SCI scoring, the lengths of both of these points would be entered, and there would not be any deductions.

For Typical entries, under B&C, lengths of non-typical points are entered, then subtracted. Under SCI scoring, lengths of non-typical points are only entered in the supplemental information section and are not included in the total score. Basically, under both systems, only typical measurements are counted for the total score.
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2009, 03:09:46 PM »
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I guess 226" is outlandish for a typical.  Lots of higher scoring deer out there, but all non-typicals.

Exactly!!

 and 29" has to be including the cheater, love those G4's though.

Text says that the spread is 29" NOT including the cheater.  Doesn't look right to me either. 
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2009, 04:52:34 PM »
I can think of two typical frames off the top of my head that would dwarf this buck.  The bigfoot buck (40" frame buck shot by Dennis Winch) has a 238" ish typical frame.  The Mundy buck has the largest typical frame ever at 246" - it nets 238"!  No comparison.  Some of the largest typical frames are hidden in B&C under the non-typical category.   This buck is supposed to net 209" - I doubt it.  There are a bunch of deer that beat it either way.

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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2009, 08:18:15 PM »
Where did you guys get the 209 score from, I dont see any reference to it on the page. If that thing grosses 226" I don't see 17" of deductions either. Not that it matters but I prefer the SCI scoring myself, if the buck grows it I think it should be counted, as far as B&C goes I pay little attention to the net, I go by gross :twocents:
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2009, 08:26:32 PM »
he's a mossback buck too...
mossbacks site says he is 236 gross 226 net.
scroll down to the bottom.
http://mossback.com/Home/html/2008_bucks.html

i just read where one of the other guys posted earlier in the thread he was 209 net.  :dunno: jjhunter maybe?
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2009, 08:31:03 PM »
Maybe for SCI, but doesn't hold a candle to some of the greatest typicals killed.  209" net B&C (not official) in Muley Crazy (inflated scores).  The Burris buck nets nearly 20 more inches.  Still a great deer, though.
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2009, 08:38:12 PM »
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mossbacks site says he is 236 gross 226 net.

Thats more like it
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2009, 08:40:04 PM »
i think what jjhunter is saying is muleycrazy magazine has him at 209. if you like at the website it's the cover shot and i can barely make it out.
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2009, 02:26:24 PM »


Why not have a pic.... :rolleyes:
29...not inside..thats for dern shur... outside.... not likely huh?? However..I easily believe 209 net and if he is 209 net... you guys that say he's not that special are smoking CRACK DAILY... take a looksy in the book and tell me how many bucks score more than 209....

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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2009, 03:24:47 PM »
Not saying he is not special - just saying he is not #1  :chuckle:

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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2009, 03:39:10 PM »
OK, so I took a piece of paper and marked out the width of the 4 fingers on his right hand.  Then I used that as a scale (assuming his 4 fingers are approximately 4 inches across), and measured the width.  I came up with a touch over 7 lengths (not counting the inline kicker).  I guess that would be around 29" outside spread.    Try it.

And, like stated above, no one is saying that it isn't a huge buck, I just think some of us are suprised it is #1 SCI.  Did someone say it "was not that special"?  I must have missed that post.  I'll go back and look.
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2009, 04:38:26 PM »
Hey PF, looks to me like his widest point is outside his g3's. I took a tape to my hand around a couple of my racks, the guy doesn't look any bigger than me and my hands came out at 3 1/2" Then I measured it out on the screen and came up with about 7.5 hands across and came up with 26.25" If you look at his hand it is closer to the camera than the g3's as well which would make his hand a little larger. If you move it back to the g3 area it may just hit that 29" width, :dunno: hard for me to beleive its that wide looking at those ears though. Either way its a toad of a typical :tup:
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2009, 04:46:32 PM »
Phool, that may be more accurate than what I did.  I laid a ruler accross my knuckles and got 3 3/4", but I have small hands, so I figured his at 4".  I had my hand laid flat though.  I guess it would be less with a fist.
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2009, 04:50:47 PM »
I'm not sure that Buck is 29" outside with the Kicker!!!  :dunno:

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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2009, 05:02:20 PM »
Even so... If I shot that buck, I would have the same look on my face that the dude in the picture has.  And I don't think I would be able to get it off for a few months :chuckle:
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2009, 05:08:34 PM »
A few months? I think I would hang the rifle up and just take pics from that point on, he will never top it fair chase.
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2009, 05:14:53 PM »
It's obvious that some people do not enter their trophies in SCI.  I just looked at the SCI virtual record book and can not find some of the names mentioned in previous posts. 

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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2009, 05:34:25 PM »
It's obvious that some people do not enter their trophies in SCI.  I just looked at the SCI virtual record book and can not find some of the names mentioned in previous posts. 

they are in the boone and crockett books.
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2009, 06:05:21 PM »
I know.  Point was that neither book was a complete, end all/be all record of every big animal taken.  That's all.

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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2009, 08:49:02 PM »
Bone put your rackometer on this typical buck and tell me how wide he is?

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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2009, 08:54:40 PM »
why does that look photoshoped Slider :chuckle:

I'm guessing 33 1/2
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2009, 09:24:03 PM »
I don't know I just took the pic yesterday?  :rolleyes:

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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2009, 09:29:11 PM »
That buck is "wet dream" big... :yike: 
You could un-photoshop 30 inches off him and I'd still piss myself...
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2009, 10:16:49 PM »
I don't know I just took the pic yesterday?  :rolleyes:

That explains it then, graveyard buck :chuckle:
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Re: Pending New SCI World Record Mule Deer
« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2009, 10:00:33 AM »
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That explains it then, graveyard buck

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