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Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« on: August 18, 2009, 12:15:34 PM »
Just in case you did not know, if you choose your Elk Tag and also put in for any special hunts you can not exchange your tag even if it is before the season.

For all you guys who waste your money in this Rat sucking, Wolf Loving, Democrat controlled cess-pool of a State, I have good news. Your chances of being drawn are about .000000000000001 percent higher. I think next time I want to submit for a hunt here I will take my five bucks and burn it in the back yard.

What really gripes me is this is not about me, it is about my 12 year old son. I am sooo pissed!  >:(
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 12:18:10 PM »
 :chuckle:
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 12:22:41 PM »
well how would you like it to be? i want to put in for branch bull permits in e-wa then if/when i don't draw i will exchange it so i can hunt big bulls on the westside?????? come on now...

hells bells man if you could do that we'd have every elk hunter in the state doing it.

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 12:24:10 PM »
... yeah, it's been like that ever since they made you choose Eastside/Westside and weapon choice for your elk tag.  

If you were allowed to exchange it, then you could just apply for all the eastside hunts and then call them after you didn't draw and switch over to the westside.  It really does make sense, you just aren't thinking it through very clearly.

No we can get into a whole different discussion about whether WDFW should make us choose weapon choice/side of state before we apply but that's a different topic entirely.

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2009, 12:24:23 PM »
I just take my lumps in advance and buy my westside elk tag :chuckle:
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2009, 12:47:09 PM »
went thru this last year myself and had lengthy discussions with liscensing personell about it. I argued with some people over a couple days and ended up talking with a supervisor.
My situation I bought my elk tag and all that like usual my friends initially decided to try to hunt the wetside archery that year and I was going to give it a try with them then the fire closures and gate closures went into effect like usual and we all tried to go for the other side prior to opener. My friends all don't put in for points but I do and I like to use them on the east side. so I put in for the ghost points or points only option as this is the ONLY TWO WAYS it is refered to in the regs. My argument was that since I did not apply for a special "HUNT" Or submit a special "HUNT" application them not switching my license for the other side of the state is rediculous.

Many apologies from the folks at F&G but the real root cause analysis of this came down to a pretty pizz poor excuse to me.

Ready here you go ... they told me they could not switch my tag to the other side because it messes up the computer programs point accumulation history for you the hunter.  They have known about it and they can't (won't or are to lazy to) fix it.

IMHO It whould not matter whatever the situation is if somebody wants to switch thier tag to a different weapon or side of the state as long as they do it before the opener for the tag they have in  hand they should be allowed to.
now they would have to give up a permit if they drew one for what they had that's obviously not transferable but in any other circumstance that should be a no brainer.
give up your permit and just get your point  instead.  Sure it leaves a permit un issued but it gives everyone flexibility  they will get to take more peoples money in the long run you think they would be all about this but HELLS NO they are sitting on thier butts pawning responsibility on a programming error.
FIX it already!  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(
How retarded is it we live in the land Of Micro soft and all that and the states F&G liscensing is screwed up because of a programming error they have lived with since they went all electronic on everything.
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2009, 12:55:22 PM »
again...if they did that then everybody and their brother would swap their tag to a westside tag so they could hunt big bulls OTC once they don't draw an east side bull tag.

they can't do it for one and not the rest of the state.

 :dunno:  i don't understand where the mystery is.
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2009, 01:09:17 PM »
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because it messes up the computer programs point accumulation history for you the hunter.


Um, I think someone told you wrong.  I believe that points are awarded per 'Species', not east/west like it used to be. Computer issue or not.. There still could be an issue as WDFW does not have direct access to any of the systems and services that are contracted out. Sure, they can fix some things.. (But, my son has two Wild ID's. One is disabled and will be there for ever. They can't remove it.)

In reality, the board that decides these things makes the best decision they can in the best ineterests of the whole states wildlife. Allowing people to switch hunt units/east/west just provides extra opportunity to harvest in thier eyes. To be fair to 'Everyone' these rules are in place.

Now, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't complain to them about what you feel is a glitch in the system. WDFW is a public and wildlife serving entity and I have to believe there is a mechanism for you to petition that the glitch gets resolved. Unfortunately it's probably not going to help you this season.

I do encourage you to press that, what you percieve a glitch in the system, gets resolved.

My god, would you rather live in a state that has ample animals but the tags are all gobbled up by guide outfits? No or very little over the counter sales of harvest tags?

Lighten up a little. They're doing the best they can with the resourses they have.
 
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2009, 01:13:34 PM »
Dang. I personally can't think of many other states that have as much to offer as WA. My biggest problem is pinning down the exact date to switch gears from killing salmon to killing mammals.

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2009, 01:16:06 PM »
Ok so I remember this argument or rather discussion with other friends about this and I realize I was forgetting that point of contention. about the guys not getting a tag and then switching.

How many people would really now .... really want to uproot thier plans and go for something like that.
Most of us growning up have deep rooted connections to deer camp, the place, the people, family, tradition etc.
alot of people will talk a big game but rarely deliver. if it's overcrowding as an issue think of all the people that wait till the last minute to buy a tag already that couldn't care less about permits but are waiting on the weather to decide for them or rather the road closures for fire danger. any year there is low fire danger and roads aren't locked is going to be a crowded season on the west side for sure.

If you only put in for points it should not ever be held against you, you already decided not to play that year and let others get a tag and made your donation to the coffers. you pay extra money with out any chance of reward that year because you are already thinking long term  like I know I can't get the permit season off this year so I am ghosting it. But hey sometimes plans can change in a hurry and maybe you really could benifit from hunting a little closer to home this or that year due to some unforseen circumstance and it happens long after you made your decision to put in that points only option.  So now what you no longer get to hunt you are screwed.

I hope it happens to you someday or your kids then we'll talk.

And I mean the points only option part of this, don't get confused or anything. the rest of it is a real mess so to speak but if they could fix that one thing that would be a positive note in my book
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2009, 01:16:31 PM »
There is no mystery. This is a "Well jay, you are a dumbsh$t" post. But, I mean it. I can't stand it anymore.

I know the arguments, we have to negotiate with the Natives, and we have to spend 100$$$ of dollars to drive to the wolf meetings to tell people who don't give a rats ass about how I feel. (All the while) Giving up on doing the very thing I am griping about not wanting to pay to do anymore.

What I am saying is, "I give up." I think it is time for me to hang it up.   :rolleyes:
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2009, 01:18:15 PM »
Choose your side, it's very simple.  I suck it up and apply for east side tags and if I don't draw a tag (which hasn't happened in 10 years) I either hunt cow/spike with the bow in Eastern Washington or go to Oregon.  Read the regs front to back and you usually won't be surprised by the state.

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2009, 01:18:37 PM »
I don't have much of a problem on comitting to east vs west on elk. I'm ok with taking my lumps and going west side archery. I will not hunt elk with a gun of any sort in this state any time in the foreseeable future.

The problem I had which is somewhat similar is wanting to change weapon type for deer (not elk) before the season starts and after I have not drawn a tag.

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2009, 01:22:09 PM »
Guy at my work is trying the same thing right now.  Fire closures early archery he wants to change his tag now. :cryriver:  
Play the cards your dealt I tell him, we are all in the same boat.  Then again if he switched that would be one less person in the woods when I'm there. ;)
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2009, 01:22:41 PM »
There is nothing worse than not having a branched bull tag in this state.... I have a really hard time getting excited about the spike thing.. just can't do it :dunno:

Im thinking about just sticking to the westside tags for the duration and then idaho or someplace else to round out the season.
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2009, 01:23:51 PM »
jack of all trades,
 
Not wrong i spent a considerable amount of time fact finding this issue, They even agreed with me that thier own regs contradict switching when you are in a points only scenario.

and the computer prgram doesn't get hung up about east or west it can't get around you having one liscense a permit app and trying to get anothr liscense in it's computer gobbly gook way of thinking  it will dump and crap out on them tryinig to do that and give them error messages and can't be done.

I am trying to scoot out of work early but I will check back later gotta go for now... 
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2009, 01:24:08 PM »
If you love the outdoors, it's certainly not time to give it up.  It's time to have a cold one and realize that life ain't perfect.  There is some quality hunting available in this state. You just have to read between the lines once in a while to figure out how to take part.

Hell, one of the reasons I pretty much quit river fishing years ago...  (trying to get back into it now)

You can fish this section with bait. This section isn't open at all. This section is barbless hooks, and you have to throw all the Coho back. Kings are open for these ten days but not Sunday. Yet I can go down stream and see nets across the river. Friggin pisses me off! But well, A bad day fishin is still better than the best ever day at the office.

Your venting is well heard, but over. Your time is up, else you need to put another ten bux in my beer fund.  :chuckle:

I still encourage you to work with them to get the regs/computer issue resolved.

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2009, 01:25:48 PM »
Another reason... they did away with the 2 day September goose hunt in Eastern WA.

-Shorter Sept. Bow season
-No early goose season

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2009, 02:06:13 PM »
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Eastside September goose season canceled, WDFW reminds hunters

OLYMPIA - The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) reminds hunters that there will not be a two-day September season for Canada geese in eastern Washington this year.

Instead, the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission shifted those two days of hunting to the October-January season when migrant geese are present in the state.  

The commission, which sets policy for WDFW, took that action at its April meeting in response to ongoing declines in resident goose production on the east side of the state.

September goose seasons in western Washington were not affected by that action and will proceed as planned.  

The September goose season was initiated in several eastside counties in 1996 and expanded to all of eastern
Washington in 1997, said Mikal Moore, a WDFW waterfowl specialist.  

Those seasons are based on population objectives set by the Pacific Flyway Council ( http://www.pacificflyway.gov/ ), composed of representatives from wildlife agencies in each state and province in the western United States, Canada, and Mexico.  

In eastern Washington, the index of nest counts for Canada geese in 2005-2007 was 1,935, below the 2,000 threshold allowing the hunting season to continue without modification.  If the nest index increases above 2,000 in the future, WDFW will recommend reinstatement of the two-day September season, Moore said.
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If'n they let all the Geeses git shot, yer young'ns won't have any to shoot when they're old enough.  Game management sux.

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2009, 02:11:47 PM »
If you love the outdoors, it's certainly not time to give it up.  It's time to have a cold one and realize that life ain't perfect.  There is some quality hunting available in this state. You just have to read between the lines once in a while to figure out how to take part.

Hell, one of the reasons I pretty much quit river fishing years ago...  (trying to get back into it now)

You can fish this section with bait. This section isn't open at all. This section is barbless hooks, and you have to throw all the Coho back. Kings are open for these ten days but not Sunday. Yet I can go down stream and see nets across the river. Friggin pisses me off! But well, A bad day fishin is still better than the best ever day at the office.

Your venting is well heard, but over. Your time is up, else you need to put another ten bux in my beer fund.  :chuckle:

I still encourage you to work with them to get the regs/computer issue resolved.

Take care.

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2009, 02:46:32 PM »
I do, and spoken from experience, I wish I'd have never quit river fishin.

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2009, 06:16:38 PM »
Hey it is better than it used to be. Before you had to pick an area like say Clockum, Yakima, Blues what have you. If you did not get drawn you still had to hunt that unit, Also to top it off If you put in for a permit and did not get drawn you had to wait a couple more days after the season opener.   
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2009, 07:21:34 PM »
This state does suck but you gotta love what we have..... everything!  We are pretty unique as far as hunt and fishabilty goes.  We have 3 deer, well 4 but cannot hunt that one, 2 elk, bears, lions, OIL's and small game.  MOST animals you can hunt OTC and you do not have to draw a tag like many other states.  I will be going into next years drawing with 14 points for elk.  I fill in all 4 choices and still cannot draw, WTF? :dunno:  I know a lot of guys who have drawn with 1-5 points in some of the same areas as I put in for, WTF?  They do a lot of things ass backwards but in the end we have it pretty good.  I actually wish that all elk and mule deer would go to a draw only.  I believe that if they managed the heards and not the hunters we could have a ton of top quality hunts.  We have the genes here for the new WR typical MD.  As far as the majority getting shafted by doing it this way well, allow a certain # of buck tags, doe tags and special tags like 2 point only and a few late rut hunt tags in all gmu's and you keep your meat hunters and trophy hunters happy.  There actually would be quite a few tags and would have the chance to draw everyother year or so.  You can also hunt out of state too.  I do.  The hunting quality is much better in most of them.  Where we hunt in MT. if you get 300 yards off the roads you will never see another hunter.  I feel your pain man but in the end we have it really good.   Actually if you quit that is one less name in the pot competing QUIT! JK! :chuckle:
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2009, 07:33:22 PM »
I do not pretend to know much about the computer glich thing but  damn I get get tired of hearing people who go into a situation that has a chance of blowing up in there face  :'( and then when it does bi@#%* moans and complains about it if you do not like the state you live in get out and if you do not like the way things are ran in said state try to change it. There are  plenty of hunting opportunities in this state and if one of the many do not fit into you'r nitch of acceptability sorry go to the meat dept at safeway and buy a steak. Just my :twocents: no disrespect intended just my rant 8) ;) :rolleyes: :IBCOOL:

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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2009, 07:55:35 PM »
I like WA. Could you imagine if you were outta state and hunted in WA!!!??? One day we'll have our chance and it will be a true once in a lifetime hunt and you'll say "it was worth it!" or you'll just cry more.
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Re: Yet Another Reason To Hate Wa.
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2009, 07:59:50 PM »
The regs are just fine if you know how to read and are able to comprehend the rules.  :'(

 


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