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Skokomish River king slaughter
« on: July 19, 2007, 12:14:15 PM »
I used to fish the Skokomish river quite a bit. There was always compitition between the tribe and regular fishermen in the river. Last year I went down to the bridge by Hunter farms and saw the nets. I could deal with that because some fish were still getting by. What I could NOT deal with was when I went to the other side of the bridge and looked over and saw a few HUNDRED (NO EXAGERATION) of dead kings up on the bank that had been gutted for the eggs. I talked to a WDF officer about it and was told nothing could be done about it and that the eggs were worth more than the meat! I don't EVER want to hear another word about a buffalo killed and left on a prarie over a hundred years ago! >:( :bash:

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 12:41:59 PM »
that sucks huge...back in new york when fishing the lake ontario trib. salmon runs, we used to sell the eggs of the hen kings we'd catch. now mind you, we also took fillets home. the $$ we made off the eggs would pay round trip gas money for a 4 hour drive one way if thats any indication of what they are worth.
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 01:38:38 PM »
Damnit...........I have nothing good to say about them wasteful sons of bitches. Nothing will change. This state is run by a bunch of bitches. WDFW will never do anything. Too many higher ups are in the pockets of these damn induns. They will wipe out a major fishery and move on. They will find some other species to exploit and destroy....all for the sake of money. I guess casinos ain't enough for them greedy *censored*s. I feel a hell of alot better knowing we wiped out there buffalo.....*censored*s
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2007, 01:41:21 PM »
Thanks for the link. I worked for the US Fish & Wildlife Service in Lacey, WA up until July 7th and know that they are eyeball deep in FOIA request involving Indian litigation of one sort or another. Things are getting to tied up in red tape and nothing is being done in the mean time.

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2007, 01:46:41 PM »
The state is afraid of hurting peoples feelings....thats what you get when dummycrats are in charge.....with the help of bleeding heart liberal judges. Something has to be done.  They should have to abide by the same rules as we do.....reservation or not.
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2007, 02:15:36 PM »
I agree. Some of the things I see, hear and read gets my blood boiling.  >:( Some of the biologist I worked with used to just drive me insane!!!

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2007, 08:53:08 AM »
 Welcome Shadowcat, we have a similar background. My dad used to work down at the mouth of Chamber's creek and would see hundred's of Chum stacked up rotting because the tribe's were after Chinook, or Coho, still makes me  >:(

 

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2007, 09:21:31 AM »
This is so different from the Alaskan natives I have been around. They harvest the eggs for sale in Japan but all the meat is harvested for canning, smoking, and filets all for sale in local stores and of course the canned and smoked can be shipped to the Lower 48 or over seas.

In fact the new ethic of catch and release was considered a slap in the face to the salmon, rainbow etc. by the old folks when I first moved there. Now a days it's more accepted that some folks will return fish to the water after catching them and it is not a bad thing to do.

I was always impressed by the natives along the Kuskaquim River during the salmon runs. All the fish were used for the up coming winter etc.

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2007, 09:23:17 AM »
That is typical of the Skoks!  They are notorious for poaching wether it be fish of game.   >:(
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2007, 10:22:40 PM »
The state is afraid of hurting peoples feelings....thats what you get when dummycrats are in charge.....with the help of bleeding heart liberal judges. Something has to be done.  They should have to abide by the same rules as we do.....reservation or not.

Seriously...the State can't do a damn thing.  I guarantee they'd like to.  Cracks me up when people blame Indian issues on local gov't when it's a federal deal.  They don't call it the Tulalip Indian NATION for nothing.  You want change with the Indians?  Better talk to your buddy GW.

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2007, 06:29:59 AM »
IMHO, what outdoors folks like ourselves should do, is to video document what we see, and attempt to get it on the tv, as often as possible. I think that most people in this state are in a state of guilt, and think that the "poor" indians just want fish and wildlife for their consumption. I too have seen the elk shot at St Helens National monument. I did not get video of the slaughter, but have video of the aftermath.

If more video shows up on local TV, I bet this would be more damaging to their reputation and may cause some change, maybe....hopefully...

Crap, who am I kidding, you know darn well that the local liberal TV stations would never air anything that would make the tribes look bad.
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2007, 06:58:11 AM »
Iceman, You are right about that. You would never get something like that on TV. The money the stations get for advertising there casinos would vanish in a heartbeat so they dont want to bite the hand that is "feeding"them.

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2007, 09:55:39 PM »
Public Broadcasting Station......lol....Someone gets the video, I'll sell out the bucks for a half hour
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2007, 09:24:49 PM »
Not to take sides, as tribes are slowly (very slowly) starting to take an interest in natrual resources, noting the proposed hatchery by the Colville tribe at bridgeport (projected to be the largest producing hatchery on the entire Columbia, if and when it's operational) and the hatcheries run by the Puyallup and Muckleshoot tribes, which put into the Puyallup river system over 800,000 coho fry a year (and just as many chinook fry), but WE (sportsman) should use modern technology and public persuasion to our benefit. For instance, how about videoing the waste in nets, drinking (and becoming extremely drunk) in public, and use of illegal substances by other's (namely those I have personally witnessed by "tribal members" which are outcast if we had access to their records) and put those videos and photo's into a presentation form. Then anytime the WDFW has a "public forum" type meeting, simply have several people show up, sign up to talk (usually a 2-5 minute time limit) and then defer their time to one guy who simply pushes "play" on a portable TV and SHOW them what we are talking about.

What's the old saying...a picture is worth a thousand words...

I think it was last year or two years ago, a member from another board observed some "tribale members" from the puyallup tribe smoking pot under the bridge by decorsey creek.  He took photo's of them and provided copies to law enforcement (not just tribal police but also WDFW officers) he then posted them on the internet, and the game agents (bot tribal and WDFW) name and contact numbers. It turns out the presure from all of the other board members seeing the photos adn calling the agents personally got those tribal members arrested and their fishing rights taken away...

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2007, 07:36:38 AM »
I watched a whole boat load of salmon rot at hoodsport.  They emptied their nets and then went and got drunk and left their catch in the sun.  It was there three days.  The stink got pretty bad.  Talk about a cluster they were netting fish while the sportsman were catching them.  There were actually Sportsman throwing their lures in the ent and Indians getting pissed off.

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2007, 02:03:32 PM »
The Skoks use to dump salmon up the south fork above camp Govey where we use to fish for steelies. We would come acrossed truck loads dumped, the smell was horrible.
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2007, 06:25:11 PM »
All I know is SOMETHING ne3eds to be done. The problem I ran into when I reported it to the state guys was that it was on tribal land and they were more interested in pilling ME off the river three times that day to check my license and to see if my hooks were barbed or not! The tribal police did not want to get involved. I am going to be going down there soon and when I do, I will have my video camera...

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2007, 06:55:23 PM »
Get some still shots.  (Pack a sidearm too)

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2007, 09:48:49 PM »
Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen them on the Tulalip with a pickup truck load of salmon selling them for $1.50 a piece. The rotting in the nets while they're on a drunk is enough to piss off Mother Teresa.
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2007, 05:26:17 PM »
isn't there snagging and other poaching issues going on on that river by white people too? i sure don't know much about the river but it sure sounds like the skok has a  lot of issues that need to be dealt with including the indian issues. i've seen that enforcement in the form of wdfw and federal enforcement is in place.
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2007, 05:39:23 PM »
Fished it saturday and sunday. I have been fishing it for 3-4 years now, and there are plenty of white snaggers to go with the indian ones. Was told that 19 indians were busted for snagging this past week. I hope it was true. The problem is, all the wdfw does is drive up and down the road. If they stopped to watch, they could have a hayday writing tickets.
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2007, 07:41:24 PM »
The problem is, all the wdfw does is drive up and down the road. If they stopped to watch, they could have a hayday writing tickets.


That would require officer lazy fu$% to get out of is rig and actually do some work....for once. And don't bother with the induns....officer lazy fu$% doesn't want that headache
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2007, 02:23:13 PM »
 I can see both sides of this coin. Yes i agree with you all the waster is sicking. But they do have the fishing rights and i dont think wdfw can do any thing about it. Falls under federal treatys with the indians. As far as them getting drunk well i guess the whites can be blamed for that cant we., i mean we the ones who started selling them fire water so we could take advantage of the fur deals. Then there is the whole land issue where we killed man of them for a hunk of land for a farm or gold or what not. Every one needs to work on this together to try to fix the problems. Not just say hey they are dirty injuns. Name calling and bicering wont fix the issue....
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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2007, 02:33:37 PM »
Here's my biggest problem....

They take waaayyy more than they use (i.e. throwing the bucks away, usually Chum, because they don't have eggs to sell). Then, I thought the treaties were about getting back their "traditional" fishing rights? So far, I haven't seen any of them out in hand-carved canoes, and I'm not positive, but I don't think they had monofilament nets back when Lewis and Clark were around. When the Makahs wanted to go whale hunting, I wouldn't have had so much a problem if they wanted to take their canoes out and harpoon one and let it drag them to Canada. Instead, they had motor boats and a .50 cal rifle. I realize they harpooned it before they shot it, but still....

They have casinos which make them a ton of money, they really don't need the money from the fish, so why? At the same time, there are some tribes that aren't as bad. Some of them run very successful hatcheries, and without those hatcheries, there wouldn't be as big of runs.

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Re: Skokomish River king slaughter
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2007, 04:43:42 PM »
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