Seeing up to 10 piles of this a day changed my mind forever.

[KenPCPilot]

A year ago I did not see one pile.  Coyote and bear piles.  now this is what you see everywhere.  Scary plain scary.  This is my hunny hole hunting spot.  The way I see it I only have 2 more good hunting seasons before this area is desimated.  Believe it boys and girls the horror Montana, Idaho, eastern Oregon are reporting on wolf activity is now in our backyard. 

[Killmore]

It isnt your honey hole no more.Do you care to share what gmu?

[h2ofowlr]

The people that are for wolves, just don't have a clue.  Just wait, once their population hits the goal, you won't be able to put a dent into them.

[GrousePointer]

If you can't put a dent in their population, how did they become extinct back when all of the modern tools for hunting that we have now didn't exist? Are you saying hunters in this state have become that inept? That's rather insulting.

Whatever "horror" that has occurred in Montana and Wyoming must not be getting to out of staters. I still see them posting picks of deer and elk they take from there.

Come on, I agree they should be managed but that's just plain fear mongering there and you know it, or should.

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[deaner]

how did they become extinct before? no seasons no limits no regs, poisoning trapping anything and everything you wanted you could do.  modern seasons and regulations i dont think will give us the ability to wipe them out.

[WAcoyotehunter]

It isnt your honey hole no more.Do you care to share what gmu?

HAHA- no kidding.  If the area is decimated you should let me in there.

[GrousePointer]

Fair enough. But I doubt this state will ever allow wiping them out. But I could see a hunt similar to that of yotes happening.

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[h2ofowlr]

If you can't put a dent in their population, how did they become extinct back when all of the modern tools for hunting that we have now didn't exist? Are you saying hunters in this state have become that inept? That's rather insulting.

Whatever "horror" that has occurred in Montana and Wyoming must not be getting to out of staters. I still see them posting picks of deer and elk they take from there.

Come on, I agree they should be managed but that's just plain fear mongering there and you know it, or should.

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They eliminated them by trapping, shooting and poisioning them year around.  Since we can't trap, shoot or poision them, do the math.  Their will still be pockets where people will shoot all the wolfs they see, so big game will survive.  Areas with heavy wolf populations will see a lack of big game.  If you are familiar and been in areas heavy with wolf traffic, your comments may change.

[bearpaw]

If you can't put a dent in their population, how did they become extinct back when all of the modern tools for hunting that we have now didn't exist? Are you saying hunters in this state have become that inept? That's rather insulting.

Whatever "horror" that has occurred in Montana and Wyoming must not be getting to out of staters. I still see them posting picks of deer and elk they take from there.

Come on, I agree they should be managed but that's just plain fear mongering there and you know it, or should.

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Everything I am about to say is a FACT!

How many wolves are there where you live?

Where I live we now have at least twice as many wolves as the state admits. Please see our wolf reports on this forum for reports and pics of wolves in areas WDFW does not list. They are beginning to impact our moose and other herds. The state already started cutting back on the number of moose permits in wolf areas in WA. In Idaho the moose are nearly wiped out of areas with heavy wolf populations and elk are down to 10% of their previous numbers in the LOLO. I know outfitters who have lost their business in Idaho because hunters will no longer go there hunting. The number of outfitters and guides is shrinking every year in Idaho because of wolves. If you don't believe me call the Idaho Outfitters & Guides Licensing Board and ask for outfitter and guide records for the last 10 years. Check the Idaho F&G website for non-resident tag quotas, they can't even sell their non-resident tags anymore, they used to sell out by late winter or spring. You sir are living a sheltered life and have no idea of the real impacts of wolves.

I think you and Senator Ranker could both use a pack of wolves in your immediate neighborhood to change your perspective.

[GrousePointer]

You mean rich people are now afraid to pay someone, or can't, to show them where game is? Oh the horror.

Outfitters have done their own share of damage over the years. Land that was once accessible to the general public has been cut off over time for higher profits. I don't weep for them.

As for being sheltered, I don't know, I ran bird dogs in wolf country out in the Midwest and accepted the risks. I knew of more dogs that had bad encounters with porcupines and sticks run into their chests.

Again, I'm fine with hunting them. I just think everyone is hyper ventilating over this.

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[TheHunt]

Hmmmm, When I saw the report from Washington State Senator Rankin was upset the Fish and Game were killing wolves he flipped out.  WHAT a dumb a$$...  He presides over the fish and game department from a senator perspective.  So the Senators are all up in people's business, the fish and game department is full of anti hunters.  Heck most do not hunt...

The only thing I see is if the entire country goes down and there is no money period.  The fish and game will let things go as it will be considered not essential.  There will not be a program for the anti's to get paid for sueing people as the program will dry up from the Federal standpoint. 

At that point in time it will be a completely open season on the bad policies that were put in place... 

[KNOPHISH]

Lots of areas in Montana have eliminated or significantly reduced Moose tags due to very low numbers. Just saying.

[bearpaw]

You mean rich people are now afraid to pay someone, or can't, to show them where game is? Oh the horror.

Outfitters have done their own share of damage over the years. Land that was once accessible to the general public has been cut off over time for higher profits. I don't weep for them.

As for being sheltered, I don't know, I ran bird dogs in wolf country out in the Midwest and accepted the risks. I knew of more dogs that had bad encounters with porcupines and sticks run into their chests.

Again, I'm fine with hunting them. I just think everyone is hyper ventilating over this.

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You tried to say that nonresidents are killing lots of animals in Idaho, I called you out on that because I knew it was false, I am an outfitter in Idaho and I know exactly what is going on in that state because I follow all the stats, so now you don't like outfitters. Exactly what other hunters do you not like?

FYI - For the most part the majority of outfitters in Idaho hunt exclusively on public land. Your statement again shows personal bias and lacks fact, I urge you to contact IOGLB and ask how many outfitters operate on private land? In Minnesota they do not allow outfitting at all. There are hunt clubs composed of hunters like you that control lands, but there are no outfitters. Again I know this as a fact because I have spoken with their DNR about outfitting in MN.

I would be quick to point out that I find it highly unlikely you were bird hunting in wolf country, wolves are not prevelent in the areas that are normally upland bird strongholds. I know a lot of guys who have run hounds in actual wolf country.

I will attach a photo of an Idaho elk in wolf country, then a Methow Washington mule deer in wolf country, then an Oregon cow in wolf country, then a Minnesota backyard pet in wolf country, then a Montana lamb in wolf country, then hounds that hunted in wolf country. Then you tell me how we are over reacting?

[BOWHUNTER45]

I just hope this comes back and slaps Ranker in the face ...He is a pothedic sheet head 

[BOWHUNTER45]

I knew that last comment from GrousePointer would light a fire