another stupid game reg

[Missing]

I just fiured out that it is not allowed to use luminoks in Washington!!! does that make sense to anyone, or am I missing something.

[Ray]

I agree with the regulations which state there will be no electronic devices on your bow or arrow. Otherwise I believe you should be able to use that bow and arrow matchup in the modern firearm season only. They have to draw the line somewhere and as many advantages Luminocks have I believe outlawing them by the law restricting the electronic devices was exactly the right thing to do.

The real problem I believe is that many hunters absolutely cannot resist the urge to mechanize or otherwise place electronics all over their weapons. That includes rangefinders. It's funny that people cling to a rangefinder for an arrow shot from my point of view. That's what I prefer to avoid and that is why I don't like the concept of compound bows. They have evolved too far away from the traditional aspects of archery that it might as well be a modern  season weapon. I am sure some of you might get out the flame throwers on that one. 

By the way I think this is the 3rd topic on this same subject on our forums in the past year and a half.

[EastWaViking]

I agree with the regulations which state there will be no electronic devices on your bow or arrow. Otherwise I believe you should be able to use that bow and arrow matchup in the modern firearm season only. They have to draw the line somewhere and as many advantages Luminocks have I believe outlawing them by the law restricting the electronic devices was exactly the right thing to do.

The real problem I believe is that many hunters absolutely cannot resist the urge to mechanize or otherwise place electronics all over their weapons. That includes rangefinders. It's funny that people cling to a rangefinder for an arrow shot from my point of view. That's what I prefer to avoid and that is why I don't like the concept of compound bows. They have evolved too far away from the traditional aspects of archery that it might as well be a modern  season weapon. I am sure some of you might get out the flame throwers on that one. 

By the way I think this is the 3rd topic on this same subject on our forums in the past year and a half.

I hear you, and can understand where you are coming from. But I love my compound bow!

The same thing with black powder rifles.  Inline guns with a range of over 200 yards???
That's not what the season was meant for.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I agree with the regulations which state there will be no electronic devices on your bow or arrow. Otherwise I believe you should be able to use that bow and arrow matchup in the modern firearm season only. They have to draw the line somewhere and as many advantages Luminocks have I believe outlawing them by the law restricting the electronic devices was exactly the right thing to do.

The real problem I believe is that many hunters absolutely cannot resist the urge to mechanize or otherwise place electronics all over their weapons. That includes rangefinders. It's funny that people cling to a rangefinder for an arrow shot from my point of view. That's what I prefer to avoid and that is why I don't like the concept of compound bows. They have evolved too far away from the traditional aspects of archery that it might as well be a modern  season weapon. I am sure some of you might get out the flame throwers on that one. 

By the way I think this is the 3rd topic on this same subject on our forums in the past year and a half.

II hear you, and can understand where you are coming from. But I love my compound bow!

The same thing with black powder rifles.  Inline guns with a range of over 200 yards???
That's not what the season was meant for.

I got an idea, why dont they let you by 1 tag, start with trad then compound then flintlock then percussion then in-line then open sight modern then scoped etc... I know what they are trying to do is just get our $, but you use what weapon you choose i'll use what weapon I choose. I may not like compounds anymore, but lets face it most guys that use them do not practise as much and need rangefinders and sights so they have confidence in their abilities. Guys that shoot long distances cant sneek up on animals, we need to quit picking on each other we are ALL hunters. and if we cannot agree on our weapon choices at least let others use theirs (within the rules of fair chase as described by Boone and Crocket and Pope and Young, SCI etc.)

[bullcanyon]

Restrict restrict restrict.  That drives hunters away from the sport.  Than we have such a small community that we have no voice.  No voice and we are gone.  The antis would surely end it for us.  I realize technology has made some serious strides, but I don't think hunting has gotten any easier.  Less area to hunt.  More people in a confined space due to expansion.  They've adapted.

Lumenok being illegal.  Now how does that do anything but help you find your animal quicker?  Isn't that what we are after?  It don't make the bow faster or more accurate. 

Rangefinders make the difference from a good quality kill shot to a wounded lost animal.  The older bows that a lot of guys still use make a big difference in drop if you misguess 5 yds.  Some situations are hard to read.  Cross little draws for example.

Quit hating

[boneaddict]

I think it might also encourage folks to take shots they shouldn't (too late in the evening) and game isn't recovered and thus wasted.  I also agree with technology being out of control with hunting.  All in the name of marketing.  Soon enough we will run out of game to hunt. 

[Ray]

Lumenok being illegal.  Now how does that do anything but help you find your animal quicker?  Isn't that what we are after?  It don't make the bow faster or more accurate. 

The concept is to give the animals some chance. If you want to shoot animals out of a barrel and give them no chance then keep embracing technology and changing the regulations. I believe that these sort of "little things" creeping into what is accepted will lead to the state becoming an all draw hunting activity for big game. Luminocks here, inline muzzleloaders, night sights because you know they really help at dusk and dawn.

You can call it hate in order to fuel an argument or point or view but I don't believe most people see it that way. The point is I believe that it is something beyond what was intended for the sport. I'd call it telling you how it is; not hatred.


I can tell you this... when the rules for Pope and Young entry were created they didn't intend for people to shoot bows with electronic devices on them or the arrows. I believe that they would frown upon people using that. Don't get me wrong. I believe you should be able to use crossbows and luminocks but only during the modern firearm season. I don't want to be associated with that type of archery hunting and I don't believe that I should have to share the woods with people who need electronic devices on their bows and arrows during an archery season. It's simply not archery to me. If you want to play video games buy a nintendo or something.

To me that would be where I draw the line and make a move to get organized to seperate the archery seasons.

[demontang]

The only advantage I can see a lumnock having is finding your arrow.

I don't think that modern bows should have to hunt with mod rifle. Just because people dont have time to practice with a traditional bow doesn't mean they need to go out when every animal runs at the first hint of a person. You don't want to hunt with some one that wants to use a rangefinder to help get a clean kill, would you rather have more wounded or lost animals around . There are people out there (like me) that cant shoot a traditional bow because of bad shoulders and etc.

If this really bugs that many people why don't we just ask for a traditional archery, mod archery, traditional muz, mod muz then maybe we can all get along

[Ray]

I think that any bows with electronics should be in the modern season. Oh wait even the modern firearms season doesn't allow electronics. Who'd a thought.

It really bugs me that people need this level of technology for a 30 day hunt which was never intended to permit this. So yes. Make your move to get them "legal" and I'd surely make mine.

[boneaddict]

Always hate getting into this argument because its not too long before someone is yelling eletist (still can't spell it) or saying that we are fighting amongst ourselves....I'd like to think of it as a healthy discussion.   I have nothing against ANY muzzeloader, but I believe a primitive season should be as is.  Not an inline shotgun primer with a scope blah blah.  I get a bit sick of radios, rangefiners, GPS,suped up scopes etc even in modern seasons.  I guess I have killed enough deer thaT I find I like the hunt better than the easy kill.  We could argue fast humane kills, but to what end are we going to go with it.  Laser guided sabots that you can't miss with?  I have a compound bow and have killed several Big Ones, using it.  I have no problem with them, but look at some of them now adays.  The technology is out of this world.  Its getting to a point that a 100 yard shot may not be that hard to make.  At what point are we taking advantage of a primitive weapons season just so we can be out in the field.  At what point do you think its not fair to the game that we hunt and soon there won't be any. Between mapping systems, GPS, interent, technology, optics, etc. where is the sport?  I hunt with all weapon types at different times so feel I am not too jaded on this.  I often opt for Tradbow in Modern season just for sport so don't know what to else to say.

[Broken Arrow]

Being a long time archer, I just want to add my  . I shoot luminous at home in the the back yard and on the 3d range. They are very cool, and yes they add to the novelty of the sport. Would they be helpfull in finding an arrow....yes, help you determin where you hit the animal...possibly.

However with that said, I can honesty say in MHO, that they are not needed. I have harvests a ton of elk of and deer with out them, sure I have lost a couple of arrows here and there, but hence is the sport.

I would prefer that muzzle loader and archery, try to remain as primitive as possible. Open sights, judge your distance, etc.

The only analogies i can give with all of the new "technology" is this:

Range finders are great if you use them in the fashion as follows: use them to already confirm what you may have guessed, once you rely on them for your first choice, you have lost a skill of trying to judge distance.

Gps: use your compass and map and use the gps to confirm what you know. Once you rely on the gps only for navigation, you loose skills such as using the sun, terrain and common sense to navigate you through the woods.

Luminocks, use them at the range to confirm what you already know. Once you begin to rely on this technology to tell you where you hit, you lose the skills to determin how the animal reacted when hit, direction it may have went, etc.

This all reminds me of my cell phone. After i programed in all my speed Dial numbers I can't remember crap as to folks actual numbers......does this make sense? Technology is great, but it can dumb you down is my point.

Lastly, I think we need to sit back and relax a bit, especially with all the negativity that has been going on with different hunting methods, what group is better, ethical shots, etc. Bottom line is we all share the same love of hunting, and were all going to have opinions, mine is not right and yours is not wrong...its just how we see things. Lets support each other in our common goals, share insight as to why we think its good or not, learn from one antother and stop taking stuff personal. We are a dying breed...lets stand together, regardless of our preferences!

[Ray]

As much as it does divide people I believe it also lets us understand where each other stands and get to the core reasons why the regulations like this are in place.

I don't hunt with a muzzleloader but I know people who have and most of them believe in the regulations which are in place. How would they feel if scopes, laser sights and such were permitted? Not too happy I am sure.

As far as modern rifle is concerned I think it is just fine and I also hunt with rifles. Adding night sights or electronics here will diminish the sporting aspect a lot and also have other side effects which are negative.

The archery topic is a discussion much the same as the other two seasons. We have to draw a line in the sand and say no at some point. Otherwise people will be running around with crossbows, laser sights, scopes, and in 20 years they'll make an arrow tip which has a GPS finder built into it. Those sort of technologies are hardly sporting IMHO. That is the entire point.

In addition to sporting I believe image is equally as important. I believe that the fact we are able to resist such technologies that our image is not tainted any further than it might have been. Lots of people get turned off by camo and gadgets who are not hunters. Even they know enough about the sport to identify what is not sporting sometimes.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

The problem is not about Luminocks, it is about mounted electronics, luminocks just happen to have a battery. If you use a rangefinder to know your distance, A difference in 5 yards can be critical. However archery is supposed to be a close range weapon, if an animal is far enough away for 5 yards to make that big a difference it is too far away for you to shoot. An animal will hear your bow and react. no matter how fast your bow is it will never be faster than the speed of sound and your arrow will not impact in precisely the same spot you were so meticulous to pick and range. Primitive should mean primitive and modern should mean modern. We should all buy the same tag and then choose our weapon to hunt with and get rid of these petty rivalries, we have a common interest.

[Ray]

To me it's not a petty rivalry until someone makes a law saying they can have gadgets like this on their bows and arrows during hunting season. Then it's beyond rivalry.. it will be a definite division. Until then I am fine with the way things are. If you want division keep pushing these sort of things to become legal. As petty as they may seem to you..

[EastWaViking]

I don't think that modern bows should have to hunt with mod rifle. Just because people dont have time to practice with a traditional bow doesn't mean they need to go out when every animal runs at the first hint of a person.

You shouldn't be hunting with any weapon if you don't have time to practice.