4-point rule 117/121

[hambone]

I seen some big bucks  in 49 help drag a buck up to a ridge that was huge hope the 4 point rule helps the herd

[PA BEN]

http://www.whitetailinstitute.com/info/news/jul03/2.html

It looks like Charles J. Alsheimer agrees with you PA.

I asked my friend to respond to the idea of no exemptions for first time hunters or youth hunters when it comes to antler restrictions. He said.  “I think it's ridiculous to place such rules on kids. Kids are processing a lot of rules when it comes to hunting…. safety, taking good shots, ethics, etc. Overloading them with all this, then requiring that they be able to make a snap decision regarding the size of a buck’s antlers width is a bit much. They cannot handle it. If you place too many rules on youngsters, they’ll quit.  Kids want to be successful. There have been many studies done that show that kids who are not successful drop out of the endeavor./b]
Good Article Our young generation is a fast food generation. I've worked w/youth at church, apprentice lineman and my own kids. This one statement says it all. Thanks for posting.

[Hunt4ever]

http://www.whitetailinstitute.com/info/news/jul03/2.html

It looks like Charles J. Alsheimer agrees with you PA.

I asked my friend to respond to the idea of no exemptions for first time hunters or youth hunters when it comes to antler restrictions. He said.  “I think it's ridiculous to place such rules on kids. Kids are processing a lot of rules when it comes to hunting…. safety, taking good shots, ethics, etc. Overloading them with all this, then requiring that they be able to make a snap decision regarding the size of a buck’s antlers width is a bit much. They cannot handle it. If you place too many rules on youngsters, they’ll quit.  Kids want to be successful. There have been many studies done that show that kids who are not successful drop out of the endeavor./b]
Good Article Our young generation is a fast food generation. I've worked w/youth at church, apprentice lineman and my own kids. This one statement says it all. Thanks for posting.

I shot my first deer at 8 y/o and my dad made me pass up at least 5 spike to fork bucks just to get rid of the fever a little and teach me to be selective and make smart shots... I never lost interest... There are antler restrictions of many kinds in this state and others and the idea to start the kids off shooting any moving target because they dont have to follow the rules, then cut them loose a few years down the road and just expect there age to change there judgment (I see some fork muleys hitting the ground in there future).... I love the restriction

[boneaddict]

I really disagree PA, and that's OK.    I really don't buy into the Give every Kid an A attitude.  Failure brings success.  I have a hard time swallowing the Entitlement generations antics.   If its too much for them to be able to discern between a legal deer and a not legal deer, then maybe they shouldn't be standing behind a high powered rifle, willing to take a life.

[Jonathan_S]

I wonder if anyone thinks that kids should be allowed to any bull in 3 pt minimum westside elk units.  Or any bull in eastern washington? 

Hunting for spike elk is difficult right?  Should the elk herd be threatened further so kids can kill one?  Is this much different than the proposed changes for youth hunter for the whitetail in 117/121?

I'm not trying to  I pose these questions because I don't see a big difference here.

[BULLBLASTER]

 
I grew up hunting mule deer and didn't expect to be able to shoot a spike or forky because I was a child. I didn't have a sense of entitlement like that. I hunted for legal bucks unless I drew a doe tag then I hunted.for does. The children can already shoot a doe during.the Whitetail youth seasons...

[dscubame]

I really disagree PA, and that's OK.    I really don't buy into the Give every Kid an A attitude.  Failure brings success.  I have a hard time swallowing the Entitlement generations antics.   If its too much for them to be able to discern between a legal deer and a not legal deer, then maybe they shouldn't be standing behind a high powered rifle, willing to take a life.

 

[PA BEN]

to each there own. Just my  I have a lot of experience w/first timer hunters, I know that there are different schools of thought on this, but what I do know is that a solid rest and shot placement is very important for the young hunter, just the wt. of the gun makes off hand shots impossible. By the time, not always, when you figure out it's a legal buck it's too late for a shot. Some not so carefull adults taking kids out will let them take a risky shot, then the kids freaks out over a wounded deer. I also think there should be cow tags for youth in the North west corner where there are no cow. BTW, it's nice to have civil discussion. 

[Jonathan_S]

I also think there should be cow tags for youth in the North west corner where there are no cow. BTW, it's nice to have civil discussion.

There should be cow tags for where there are no cows?  Is that how you meant it? 

I too was thinking it was nice to have a relatively less flammatory conversation about a "Hot Topic" 

[PA BEN]

I also think there should be cow tags for youth in the North west corner where there are no cow. BTW, it's nice to have civil discussion.

There should be cow tags for where there are no cows?  Is that how you meant it? 

I too was thinking it was nice to have a relatively less flammatory conversation about a "Hot Topic" 

OOPs that would be no cow tags at all.

[BULLBLASTER]

I understood what was meant. 
I would also be on board with that!

[boneaddict]

I'd rather get the population higher first.  I only like antlerless hunts when the population needs to be thinned out for health reasons, damage control or carrying capacity.   I very much disagree with antlerless hunts just for opportunity.

[grundy53]

I'd rather get the population higher first.  I only like antlerless hunts when the population needs to be thinned out for health reasons, damage control or carrying capacity.   I very much disagree with antlerless hunts just for opportunity.

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[MtnMuley]

I'd go statewide all species(deer).......but thats just me.   

Me too........and that doesn't include eye guards!

[Jonathan_S]

I'd go statewide all species(deer).......but thats just me.   

Me too........and that doesn't include eye guards!

You've never hunted blacktail have you?