Carbon Express Mutiny's? (Revised)

[Smossy]

Ok Im starting to push away from the FMJ's, What does everyone shoot?

[demontang]

Havent shot them but ive heard good things just ask radsav he will know

[Smossy]

Havent shot them but ive heard good things just ask radsav he will know

No doubt that I will. But Im sure hes trying to wind down from the ATA show and not let me pick at his brain just yet.
I also want to kinda hear more what everyone thinks and what kind of experience people have had with them.

[Smossy]

I use them for target all the time,before i got into reloading i got about 5k rounds 69 grain fmj.very good but wont hunt with them.they wont expand,just go straight through the animal. 

FMJ Arrow's buddy Not bullets haha.

[MtnMuley]

   I actually don't group well with them, so I stuck with my axis's. They collect dust now. Friends shoot well with them though.

[Smossy]

Indeed! Shes got some Easton Carbon Ion's in 600 spine for her bow. Im working on them now shes pretty excited, She's probably gonna make a thread if she hasnt already lol

[stevemiller]

Demon tang your the archery guru,I use the ics hunter carbon from beman,no problems (with my muzzies)Demon your the one that cut them for me lol.340 9.3 gpi

[romaknows]

I shoot 340 fmj , and like them , but I am having a hard time getting the fletchings to stay on the  shaft after getting bumped around .They also bend easy if the point hits something , it is also hard to get a high FOC with a 100 grain head , they are also expensive.

Maybe I don't like them that much

[stevemiller]

Indeed! Shes got some Easton Carbon Ion's in 600 spine for her bow. Im working on them now shes pretty excited, She's probably gonna make a thread if she hasnt already lol

Are these the hot pink ones?

[Smossy]

Indeed! Shes got some Easton Carbon Ion's in 600 spine for her bow. Im working on them now shes pretty excited, She's probably gonna make a thread if she hasnt already lol

Are these the hot pink ones?

Yeah, Black white and pink.

[stevemiller]

awsome those are spendy. 

[Smossy]

awsome those are spendy. 

I know lol

[demontang]

Not a guru just half way now my way around a bow. Still have lots to learn. 

I can see the fmj being harder to get a good foc id think a brass insert would do it but total weight would be pretty high. The spine of the arrow is very uniform being alum/carbon, the only down fall I know is they would bend and like all alum arrows the spine changes over a shorter period do to the alum being flex under the shot pressure which weakens metal.

[carpsniperg2]

I put more then a few threw some animals. I love the weight but they bend just like aluminum arrows. So any little whack or skip and they are out of whack and time to throw in the trash.

[Smossy]

Already dont like what Im hearing. Im the kinda guy that kinda needs dummy proof arrows

[duck1187]

I hate them for durability loved axis im gonna back to them much more durable

[MtnMuley]

I'm not sure why because it doesn't make sense to me, but I've ruined/broke a lot more fmj's than axis arrows.

[stickflngr]

I shoot hem and there great medicine for elk. Do they bend,,, yep . Ive bent or broke 3-4 last year stump shooting. My Axis were a little more durable but I really like the extra weight

[RadSav]

I put more then a few threw some animals. I love the weight but they bend just like aluminum arrows. So any little whack or skip and they are out of whack and time to throw in the trash.

If you are throwing them in the trash your crazy!  With the carbon core they are always wanting to go straight.  Just a little tweaking with your hand and BAM back to straight.  Super durable in my experience.

I've taken a dozen or so animals with them (400, 340 and 300's) and have no complaints.  I just hate the hidden insert thing.  Most guys that are having accuracy issues with them are trying to use 100 grain points and aluminum HIT inserts leading to FOC issues.  And none of the super slim shafts are much for stability as the shaft weight is located too close to the axis of the shaft for any kind of gyro stability.  If you are looking for a deep penetrating shaft weight that doesn't run excessive they are a good way to go.  Just remember to use a brass insert or heavy broadhead for best results.

Oh, and pulling them from 3-D targets is a dream!  SO much nicer than all carbon when your pulling arrows all day on the range.

[RadSav]

Also, with the aluminum they run a little lighter in dynamic spine than comparable all carbon shafts.  So if you are on the edge in spine deflection your better off to step up to the next stiffer shaft.

[stevemiller]

Thanks for all that info rad,wow someone said earlier to hit you up on this and now we can all know why.What broadheads do you like to use and weight?Arrow and head? 

[demontang]

Radsav is my hero

[blackveltbowhunter]

I put more then a few threw some animals. I love the weight but they bend just like aluminum arrows. So any little whack or skip and they are out of whack and time to throw in the trash.

If you are throwing them in the trash your crazy!  With the carbon core they are always wanting to go straight.  Just a little tweaking with your hand and BAM back to straight.  Super durable in my experience.

I've taken a dozen or so animals with them (400, 340 and 300's) and have no complaints.  I just hate the hidden insert thing.  Most guys that are having accuracy issues with them are trying to use 100 grain points and aluminum HIT inserts leading to FOC issues.  And none of the super slim shafts are much for stability as the shaft weight is located too close to the axis of the shaft for any kind of gyro stability.  If you are looking for a deep penetrating shaft weight that doesn't run excessive they are a good way to go.  Just remember to use a brass insert or heavy broadhead for best results.

Oh, and pulling them from 3-D targets is a dream!  SO much nicer than all carbon when your pulling arrows all day on the range.

  Love pulling them from targets!!! I shot them for the last few years I found them to be plenty durable, and they are a quality arrow.  I mimic Rad about FOC.  To get the FOC I needed for consistent and forgiving broadhead flight my overall arrow weight was heavy to very heavy.

[RadSav]

What broadheads do you like to use and weight?Arrow and head? 

I've never found a broadhead under 1-1/4" that I couldn't get to fly well.  With proper FOC and a good helical even with the small diameter shafts you should be able to get them to fly consistently.  I try to make sure I have at least twice as much fletching as blade and I put as much helical on as possible.  Not all that easy on those slim shafts but it can be done with a good jig.  Go four fletch if you don't have a good helical clamp.  And then whatever head you chose make sure it gives you close to 12% or more FOC.  It makes a huge difference in these skinny shafted arrows.

Since I make broadheads I'm always testing something new.  So I can't really tell you what I shoot on which shaft.  Sometimes I do not have the luxury of increasing my head weight when I have a certain head that needs field work.  In those cases I custom make brass or stainless inserts to achieve the proper FOC.  I like 12%, but more never hurt anything...within reason.  11.5 - 15% would be my targeted FOC if I were you.

Hitting FOC on these shafts can often be very difficult.  While I like arrow wraps I usually fletch FMJ's without them.  Four Blazers are also quite a bit of weight.  So when four fletching those I tend to use Flex-Fletch Flash vanes.  I never use lighted nocks except to dark tune.  And most of the time my insert weight is between 40 and 50 grains.  This all means that my arrow speed is rarely ever more than 280 fps.  But since I use a rangefinder...who really cares.  Anything inside 60 yards is going to be burnt toast.

[Smossy]

What broadheads do you like to use and weight?Arrow and head? 

I've never found a broadhead under 1-1/4" that I couldn't get to fly well.  With proper FOC and a good helical even with the small diameter shafts you should be able to get them to fly consistently.  I try to make sure I have at least twice as much fletching as blade and I put as much helical on as possible.  Not all that easy on those slim shafts but it can be done with a good jig.  Go four fletch if you don't have a good helical clamp.  And then whatever head you chose make sure it gives you close to 12% or more FOC.  It makes a huge difference in these skinny shafted arrows.

Since I make broadheads I'm always testing something new.  So I can't really tell you what I shoot on which shaft.  Sometimes I do not have the luxury of increasing my head weight when I have a certain head that needs field work.  In those cases I custom make brass or stainless inserts to achieve the proper FOC.  I like 12%, but more never hurt anything...within reason.  11.5 - 15% would be my targeted FOC if I were you.

Hitting FOC on these shafts can often be very difficult.  While I like arrow wraps I usually fletch FMJ's without them.  Four Blazers are also quite a bit of weight.  So when four fletching those I tend to use Flex-Fletch Flash vanes.  I never use lighted nocks except to dark tune.  And most of the time my insert weight is between 40 and 50 grains.  This all means that my arrow speed is rarely ever more than 280 fps.  But since I use a rangefinder...who really cares.  Anything inside 60 yards is going to be burnt toast.

Lol @ Burnt toast, Dang awesome terminology, Who taught you that one bry?

[hughjorgan]

Keep your eye out on camofire they sell the fmj pretty regularly...

[xXLojackXx]

I have shot the FMJ's for about 4 years now. They penetrate well due to their weight. My 30" arrow with a 100gr tip weigh 463gr's. The last elk I shot at 58 yards burried the fletching inside the elk. Like has been stated, they bend. you might not notice it but they do.

I recently switched to the VAP V1's and wow. Not going back to the FMJ's. But at $220 a dozen, not many people do not want to shoot them. They are MUCH straighter (+/- .001"), more consistent in weight, smaller diameter, and higher quality carbon shafts. They absolutely hammer and penetrate deeper at almost 2 grains per inch lighter.

[dfresh96]

I shot the FMJ's for a couple years never cared for hidden inserts & switched to carbon xpress maxima hunters & never looked backed...the maxima hunters seem to survive my misses better than other arrows did...lol

[Smossy]

What about Carbon Express Mutiny's?

[whackmaster]

Thread should read what is the most awesome arrow on the planet
you got it right if you want to shot carbon
CARBON EXPRESS 

[Smossy]

Thread should read what is the most awesome arrow on the planet
you got it right if you want to shot carbon
CARBON EXPRESS 

Yeah Im starting to learn toward the carbon express brand now. Alittle more pricey but I dont really take that into consideration. You get what you pay for in many aspects.

[RadSav]

What about Carbon Express Mutiny's?

Great shaft for a bargain hunter.  Though I would go Mayhem instead.  Not that much more money and twice as straight.

Yeah Im starting to learn toward the carbon express brand now. Alittle more pricey but I dont really take that into consideration.

More pricey compared to what?  Mayhem is about 20% cheaper than the FMJ and the Mutiny is about 45% cheaper than the FMJ.

[Russ McDonald]

Since I am new to archery.  Only 5 years now.  I have nothing but Carbon Express since I started.  Mayhem's shot great good groups and 30 yards all day long.  Yes there are tough arrow.  Have some Pile Drivers now those are some tough arrows too.  I shanked a couple shots and sent them through cedar fencing.  Buried them half way up the shaft pulled them out and still straight and not broken or splintered at the tip.  I got some Carbon Express Crush the last 2 seasons.  Great arrows but no very tough.  Stay straight but is you hit something solid they tend to splitter.  Got me a deer two years in a row though.  Now with my new bow I went out and got some Easton Bloodlines.  I have heard good things about these arrows but haven't shot them.  When I get my bow back from getting custom strings done on it.  I will let you know how they fly. 

[Smossy]

What about Carbon Express Mutiny's?

Great shaft for a bargain hunter.  Though I would go Mayhem instead.  Not that much more money and twice as straight.

Yeah Im starting to learn toward the carbon express brand now. Alittle more pricey but I dont really take that into consideration.

More pricey compared to what?  Mayhem is about 20% cheaper than the FMJ and the Mutiny is about 45% cheaper than the FMJ.

$70-80 for a half dozen compared to $40-50 that I've been paying for goldtips and bemens. I've never bought FMJ's

[Doublelunger]

I shoot carbon express maxima hunter KV's.  Not an expert on arrows, but I like them...and they kill stuff!

[RadSav]

$70-80 for a half dozen compared to $40-50 that I've been paying for goldtips and bemens. I've never bought FMJ's

You must have your Mutiny and Mayhem mixed up.  Or the store you shop at has gotten them mixed up.  Mutiny arrows fletched should go for about $45.00/6.  Cabela's has them on sale right now for $39.88/6. 

Mayhem fletched should be around the $74.99/6 mark.  Looks like Easton's MAP for FMJ is $74.99/6.  Strange since the wholesale on CE is less.  Maybe that is why so many shops are starting to drop Easton.  Their going broke with Easton setting MAP at no margin for the average dealer.

[Smossy]

$70-80 for a half dozen compared to $40-50 that I've been paying for goldtips and bemens. I've never bought FMJ's

You must have your Mutiny and Mayhem mixed up.  Or the store you shop at has gotten them mixed up.  Mutiny arrows fletched should go for about $45.00/6.  Cabela's has them on sale right now for $39.88/6. 

Mayhem fletched should be around the $74.99/6 mark.  Looks like Easton's MAP for FMJ is $74.99/6.  Strange since the wholesale on CE is less.  Maybe that is why so many shops are starting to drop Easton.  Their going broke with Easton setting MAP at no margin for the average dealer.

Yeah had the Mayhem and Mutiny's mixed up.

[dfresh96]

My wife & daughter shoot the mayhems but they only target shoot mainly in backyard, but I have a friend that hunts with them & likes them...

[RadSav]

I shoot carbon express maxima hunter KV's. 

For the past few years that's been my Washington arrow of choice when shooting over 65#.  And now they stopped making it.  I hate the thought of going back to shooting Easton, but at least the arrows I buy today might still be available again next year.  I really like the CE shafts, but this will be the third time I've had to change in the past five years

[demontang]

Ive been thinking about getting the carbon express bluestreak once break or loose my goldtips

[xXLojackXx]

Carbon Express Blue Streak Selects.

[earlmarne]

I am far from as seasoned as most on here but i put a crap ton of arrows down range.
i have not run any carbon express arrows so i can not give any insight into them.
out of my bemans and gold tips and black eagle arrows i am very sold on the black eagles.

[RadSav]

Ive been thinking about getting the carbon express bluestreak once break or loose my goldtips

Fantastic arrow!!!  But you will probably need to drop a good bit of poundage to get them legal in Washington state.  And they do not make them in a 300 spine.

[BULLBLASTER]

I am shooting cx mayhem for hunting right now. Same arrow went through 3 animals this year and is still "straight as an arrow"  just replaced broadheads. Ill keep using them untio I need new ones at least.

[demontang]

Man no 300 spine ill have to look into something else.  Maybe victory

[RadSav]

Man no 300 spine ill have to look into something else.  Maybe victory

Maxima Hunter in camo I think come in 300.  Same base shaft as the Blue Streak, but camo coated.  Don't ask me why they don't offer the Blue Streak in 300, because I have no freakin clue.  These days everyone and every shaft should be available in 300.

[demontang]

Lol its kind of hard to find a 300 spine ive noticed

[DeerHarvester]

Carbon Express Blue Streak Selects.

I've had great luck with these arrows



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