Would you shoot a turkey out off the roost?

[bearpaw]

everybody should write down what they dont like,and we will outlaw it all.I have heard this s*** for 50 years.most of you have no idea what we have lost,IF we dont stick togather WE will hang septerly.IF you dont like the way a bird tast out of a tree,then learn how to cook one,there not a butterball there lots better.IF you cant make a shot at a 1000 yds(in perfict condistons)then why are you shooting at a buckrunning down a draw at 100 yds in the brush.I bet you havent practic that shoot 500 times,

my thoughts too....

Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups and quit losing opportunity.

[Bob33]

I don't think it's that simple.

We're not losing access to private lands because hunters aren't sticking together. We're losing them in large part because of the poor behavior of some hunters and others.

The woman hiker that was shot on Sauk Mountain five years ago is still sending ripple waves through hunting legislation. I don't think it's a coincidence that a bill now in the Washington Senate would require hunters under age 14 to be accompanied by an adult (the shooter of the hiker was 14.)

The poor behavior of one hunter can impact the rights of every hunter.

I'm not suggesting that shooting a turkey out of a roost is wrong. I am suggesting that the attitude of "everything legal is great" has an ugly side to it as well.

[WAcoyotehunter]

  just because its legal doesnt mean its the best thing to do.

[turkeyfeather]

I haven't done it yet, but have considered it.

[Gobble Doc]

I don't think it's that simple.

We're not losing access to private lands because hunters aren't sticking together. We're losing them in large part because of the poor behavior of some hunters and others.

The woman hiker that was shot on Sauk Mountain five years ago is still sending ripple waves through hunting legislation. I don't think it's a coincidence that a bill now in the Washington Senate would require hunters under age 14 to be accompanied by an adult (the shooter of the hiker was 14.)

The poor behavior of one hunter can impact the rights of every hunter.

I'm not suggesting that shooting a turkey out of a roost is wrong. I am suggesting that the attitude of "everything legal is great" has an ugly side to it as well.

 

[Tracker20xray]

  When laws are created that impact everybody based on the action of one, injustice occurs and our rights are systematically diminished. Regardless of more restrictions the problem is not corrected. The powers that be have used this excuse to eat away at our freedoms for the last fifty years. As much as I feel for the fourteen year old, he has to take personal responsibility for his actions. You can't make life incident free, individuals will at times make bad choices or mistakes. Creating legislation designed to somehow prevent this does nothing.
What are you trying to say when you state "the attitude of everything is legal is great, has an ugly side to it too" ?? I will say it again, the anti-hunters and anti-gun people do not want common sense, they want everything, your rifle, your bow, your access to all public land and your right to eat meat. Do you want to live in a vegan, tofu world? I for one can not and will not give up my predatory instinct. 
 

[deaner]

once again its a bird! who cares

this thread has gone on and on, so here, i directed you all back to this threads most intelligent post.  kind of an all inclusive debate ender

[Bob33]

I will say it again, the anti-hunters and anti-gun people do not want common sense, they want everything, your rifle, your bow, your access to all public land and your right to eat meat.

You can say it until the cows come home, but it's sheer nonsense to stereotype everyone who is opposed to hunting in that manner.

[jackelope]

I don't think it's that simple.

We're not losing access to private lands because hunters aren't sticking together. We're losing them in large part because of the poor behavior of some hunters and others.

The woman hiker that was shot on Sauk Mountain five years ago is still sending ripple waves through hunting legislation. I don't think it's a coincidence that a bill now in the Washington Senate would require hunters under age 14 to be accompanied by an adult (the shooter of the hiker was 14.)

The poor behavior of one hunter can impact the rights of every hunter.

I'm not suggesting that shooting a turkey out of a roost is wrong. I am suggesting that the attitude of "everything legal is great" has an ugly side to it as well.

Best post in this thread. Well done again, Bob. That is good stuff. Food for thought.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I just had to add my  to this because it actually demonstrates one of the MAJOR problems we have in the hunting community.
Ethics have to do with what the public perceives as right and wrong, morals are about what an individual feel is right or wrong, all too often in these discussions someone is attempting to impose their own E&M on someone else.
Although is LEGAL, the majority feel that it is wrong, and argue about ethics and morals, names get called, people get offended, some get mad, some get sad...
But the big picture that no one really thought about was the birds themselves.
I mean after all, why is this a spot of contention ?
Really, does it really matter to anyone else HOW a person legally filled their tag ?
As long as you are true to your own feeling on this (and other) matters, what business is it of yours what someone else does ?
One of the major complaints about regulations, government, religion, activists, etc. is somebody attempting to instill their beliefs onto someone else.
And we have lost the original picture of what really matters.
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Back when I first decided to attempt to hunt turkeys in Washington state there was a statement in the pamphlet to the effect that
hunters were "ASKED" not to shoot roosting birds because they usually used the same trees on an habitual schedule, and disturbing them caused undue stress and could disrupt their use of said tree, forcing them to seek safety in a less desirable tree and placing them in undue risk.
..............
Now, I don't really care about your ethics unless it affects me, your morals are your own, but as "Sportsmen(women)" we SHOULD all care about the animals we pursue, not just the ones we kill, or how we kill them, but the fact that we CAN and the reasons WHY.
If it were not for those that cared in the past, we would not be having this discussion now, and I hope that my own children will be able to debate these issues in the future w/o all the "posturing" about who is a better hunter, or killed the most game, or did it the most ethically, but with respect for the animal and the perpetuation of the "sport".

[WAcoyotehunter]

Great post STIKNSTRINGBOW. 

[turkeydancer]

  
Way to go SSB .... well said!
   
I also believe in respect for "tradition" and the "prey". It's not just about filling my tag, and I don't look at it as "it's only just a bird".   I'm not puttting anyone down if they feel their E&M is pegged at "along as it's legal", but I think they may be selling themselves short of having greater adventurers .... but it's their hunt and their choice, not mine.

[runamuk]

roosting birds, grouse on roads, deer in beds, cats with hounds, bears with bait, puppymills, backyard breeders, ack, ukc fci, show horses, race horses, heck even in sports, and recreation like orv's and jeeps, and heck even the blasted kink community there is so darn much infighting on whose ethics are best, and whose morals are right and here lets just argue amongst ourselves while Rome burns when we finish fighting all that we thought we were fighting for will be lost anyway.



and when that turkey says come at me bro he is eating my grill....

[Tracker20xray]

roosting birds, grouse on roads, deer in beds, cats with hounds, bears with bait, puppymills, backyard breeders, ack, ukc fci, show horses, race horses, heck even in sports, and recreation like orv's and jeeps, and heck even the blasted kink community there is so darn much infighting on whose ethics are best, and whose morals are right and here lets just argue amongst ourselves while Rome burns when we finish fighting all that we thought we were fighting for will be lost anyway.AND THE FIRST WORDS OUT OF THERE MOUTH WILL BE (BUT)



and when that turkey says come at me bro he is eating my grill....

[ICEMAN]

roosting birds, grouse on roads, deer in beds, cats with hounds, bears with bait, puppymills, backyard breeders, ack, ukc fci, show horses, race horses, heck even in sports, and recreation like orv's and jeeps, and heck even the blasted kink community there is so darn much infighting on whose ethics are best, and whose morals are right and here lets just argue amongst ourselves while Rome burns when we finish fighting all that we thought we were fighting for will be lost anyway.

Good point Rori.