Is Jay Kehne Using his position to funnel Info to Conservation NW?

[Sitka_Blacktail]

click page two and read,  already been addressed.

That's what I thought..........

And idahohuntr, JLS, AspenBud, and I, aren't really hunters. We're spies for the "other side", right?

Boy it must be fun chasing shadows.

[KFhunter]

Already been addressed...right...   Just keep deflecting and changing the subject.

Fact is, there is nothing unethical or illegal about a commissioner sharing public information with a conservation organization.  End of discussion.  Furthermore, you don't even know that he (legally and ethically) shared information with CNW in the first place. 

Gosh, I wonder if one of the commissioners has shared any other wildlife related public information with other wildlife organizations...those outlaws!!!  Go get 'em KF...go file FOIA's demanding to know when WDFW commissioners are communicating public information to the public and then report back to us...run along now...we need our best and brightest to solve this crime of the century. 

The deflection is yours and yours alone. 

I clearly stated I had no knowledge of ethics violations and that the points were merely an illustration or (scenario if you will) of how someone in this position could violate ethics laws.  The WASHINGTON FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE clearly states that commission members are required to take ethics training and are accountable to Chapter 42.52 RCW ethics in public service.

WASHINGTON FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE, OPERATING PRINCIPLES 1) I. Represent all citizens of the state (who own the resource), not constituents from a particular area or special interest.

Are you saying CNW is not a special interest group? 

[KFhunter]

click page two and read,  already been addressed.

That's what I thought..........

And idahohuntr, JLS, AspenBud, and I, aren't really hunters. We're spies for the "other side", right?

Boy it must be fun chasing shadows.

exactly, and I think Aspens comments on this thread really cement this in.  If this were my site I'd axe you for being a fake hunter.

His animosity towards H-W was really showing through.

Here's another good one, look for all ammo sales of the caliber used in the last six months within a certain range of the incident, see if a match can be made to a credit card, and then do something crazy like get a list of IP addresses hitting H-W (again, just because H-W doesn't collect that info doesn't mean the ISP's don't) and then see if any names match on the wolf forum. If you think that's not doable you got another thing coming.

Again, I think it's highly unlikely. But...

It sounds like a thinly veiled threat and implying perhaps I had something to do with this. 

[JLS]

click page two and read,  already been addressed.

That's what I thought..........

And idahohuntr, JLS, AspenBud, and I, aren't really hunters. We're spies for the "other side", right?

Boy it must be fun chasing shadows.

exactly, and I think Aspens comments on this thread really cement this in.  If this were my site I'd axe you for being a fake hunter.

His animosity towards H-W was really showing through.

Not engage in any activity which gives rise to a conflict of interest or
appearance of conflict of interest as a Commission member

Book 'em Dano

[KFhunter]

He is violating the operating principles of the commission that is clear.

What specific operating principle of the commission are you saying he is violating?

So far all I'm seeing is what ifs and innuendo.

I could make up a scenario that could make you look like a possible suspect in this wolf poaching incident but it would be intellectually dishonest, just like your case against Mr. Kehne.

bring it, I'd love to hear it.  book me dano 

[KFhunter]

JLS you quoted an error, happens when I get to cutting and pasting too fast 


I fixed it

[KFhunter]

So you three going to come on out and label me a wolf poacher?  You're dancing around it a lot.

[JLS]

So you three going to come on out and label me a wolf poacher?  You're dancing around it a lot.

Unlike you, I feel no need to attach labels and I'm not dancing around anything.  If I have something to say I will say it.

My comment was directed towards your desire to axe Sitka Blacktail because of your accusations of him being a fake hunter.

[KFhunter]

So you three going to come on out and label me a wolf poacher?  You're dancing around it a lot.

Unlike you, I feel no need to attach labels and I'm not dancing around anything.  If I have something to say I will say it.

My comment was directed towards your desire to axe Sitka Blacktail because of your accusations of him being a fake hunter.

You're the 4th,  Aspen, Sitka and Idahohntr are 1,2 and 3.

Wasn't talking to you JLS

Also I don't think you're a fake, greatly mislead yes - fake no.

[idahohuntr]

Already been addressed...right...   Just keep deflecting and changing the subject.

Fact is, there is nothing unethical or illegal about a commissioner sharing public information with a conservation organization.  End of discussion.  Furthermore, you don't even know that he (legally and ethically) shared information with CNW in the first place. 

Gosh, I wonder if one of the commissioners has shared any other wildlife related public information with other wildlife organizations...those outlaws!!!  Go get 'em KF...go file FOIA's demanding to know when WDFW commissioners are communicating public information to the public and then report back to us...run along now...we need our best and brightest to solve this crime of the century. 

The deflection is yours and yours alone. 

I clearly stated I had no knowledge of ethics violations and that the points were merely an illustration or (scenario if you will) of how someone in this position could violate ethics laws.  The WASHINGTON FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE clearly states that commission members are required to take ethics training and are accountable to Chapter 42.52 RCW ethics in public service.

WASHINGTON FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE, OPERATING PRINCIPLES 1) I. Represent all citizens of the state (who own the resource), not constituents from a particular area or special interest.

Are you saying CNW is not a special interest group? 

Sharing public information with a conservation group is not an ethics violation.  Whatever scenario that you made up in your mind is not an example of an ethics violation.  He can share public information with whoever he wants to.  So can any other commissioner.  Its not even debatable whether they can do something like that...they can and should share public information with the public!   

I'm going to a GMAC meeting this weekend and I am going to hear lots of information about wildlife issues in Washington from WDFW staff...I believe the agenda includes Wolf Population updates, 14-15 hunting rules, a meet and greet with the new LE Chief for WDFW, a review of the 4pt restriction in NE Wa, and a bonus point system review...after that meeting I'm going to come on here and write up my notes about what was discussed so all the H-W members who are interested can hear what is going on...I hope I don't get arrested for sharing this public information. 

[idahohuntr]

So you three going to come on out and label me a wolf poacher?  You're dancing around it a lot.

Unlike you, I feel no need to attach labels and I'm not dancing around anything.  If I have something to say I will say it.

My comment was directed towards your desire to axe Sitka Blacktail because of your accusations of him being a fake hunter.

You're the 4th,  Aspen, Sitka and Idahohntr are 1,2 and 3.

Wasn't talking to you JLS

Also I don't think you're a fake, greatly mislead yes - fake no.

Nobody has called you a wolf poacher. 

[KFhunter]

Sharing public information with a conservation group is not an ethics violation.  Whatever scenario that you made up in your mind is not an example of an ethics violation.  He can share public information with whoever he wants to.  So can any other commissioner.  Its not even debatable whether they can do something like that...they can and should share public information with the public!   

I'm going to a GMAC meeting this weekend and I am going to hear lots of information about wildlife issues in Washington from WDFW staff...I believe the agenda includes Wolf Population updates, 14-15 hunting rules, a meet and greet with the new LE Chief for WDFW, a review of the 4pt restriction in NE Wa, and a bonus point system review...after that meeting I'm going to come on here and write up my notes about what was discussed so all the H-W members who are interested can hear what is going on...I hope I don't get arrested for sharing this public information. 

That wasn't what I was talking about Idahohntr


I'm saying if he uses his position with CNW to get certain commission members removed that would be an ethics violation.

CNW gets a lot of dollars and support from Microsoft, you won't convince me that they don't have tremendous political channels and pull.  If Jay say's "axe that guy" then he gets axed.  Simple, but unethical.

tracking now?

 

[idahohuntr]

This thread was started about wolf poaching being shared with CNW....what you are suggesting...there is not even a remote hint of such a thing occurring so I guess I'm not sure what your point is...we could come up with a billion scenarios about what "could" be unethical.

BTW - while your on here, any thoughts on the 4pt wt rule up in your neck of the woods...some folks on GMAC have been emailing me info opposing the 4pt/antler point restriction rule.  My recollection is the Stevens County guys were in favor of it...do you think its been a good thing?  Seeing better/more bucks etc.?  PM me if you have any thoughts...so I don't derail this thread any further.

[KFhunter]

I'd rather see the antlerless tags go away first (except youth)

With any buck we see mostly the smaller bucks being taken in years past and the large bucks get huge if they make it maturity.  If the restriction was made so it had to be 4pt then there'd be a drastic reduction in overall take,  and I think that's the purpose isn't it.


Keep's the wolves fed.

[KFhunter]

You're right though, we're going to have to make sacrifices.

Deer:
WT Deer, make all GMU's east of the PCT 4pt min, cancel all antlerless hunts (except youth) limit (1) deer per two year cycle
Mule deer, 4pt min statewide, cancel all antlerless - limit (1) deer per five year cycle.

Elk:
cancel all antlerless hunts east of PCT
emergency rules, spike only (archery -muzzle loader) east of PCT
special draw permit only (modern) 100 series GMU's CLOSED to modern firearms.
eliminate all quality hunts

Moose:
closed state wide