selling permitt points

[kentrek]

Well the guys from "on foot films" must be poachers then

What about the other portion of my statement ? Would you really feel cheated ?
If so I think your putting to much weight into these draw tags

Just my 

[Karl Blanchard]

Well the guys from "on foot films" must be poachers then

What about the other portion of my statement ? Would you really feel cheated ?
If so I think your putting to much weight into these draw tags

Just my 

[bobcat]

It's not that I would personally feel cheated. The people it would hurt are the new hunters. How would it be fair for a kid putting in for a youth hunt with 20 points, while everyone else in that pool has maybe two or three points at the most? It just wouldn't be fair to put certain people at the head of the line. They didn't put in for permits all those years, holding out for nothing but the best, and earn those points. As I said, only the people who eaarned the points deserve to use them. Nobody else.

Now if you do want to share your points that you've accumulated with someone, that's easy to do. Apply with them as a partner. That's how they are "selling" points in Oregon. They don't transfer the points to someone else, that would be impossible, there is no way to do that. They simply apply as partners. So if one person has 20 points and the other has none, they go in with the average of those points which would be 10. That's how they do it in Oregon, and that's exactly the same way you could do it here. The difference is in Oregon they are preference points, not bonus points like we have here. So in Oregon you can be fairly certain when you are going to draw and when you are not going to draw, unlike here.

[Karl Blanchard]

It's not that I would personally feel cheated. The people it would hurt are the new hunters. How would it be fair for a kid putting in for a youth hunt with 20 points, while everyone else in that pool has maybe two or three points at the most? It just wouldn't be fair to put certain people at the head of the line. They didn't put in for permits all those years, holding out for nothing but the best, and earn those points. As I said, only the people who eaarned the points deserve to use them. Nobody else.

Now if you do want to share your points that you've accumulated with someone, that's easy to do. Apply with them as a partner. That's how they are "selling" points in Oregon. They don't transfer the points to someone else, that would be impossible, there is no way to do that. They simply apply as partners. So if one person has 20 points and the other has none, they go in with the average of those points which would be 10. That's how they do it in Oregon, and that's exactly the same way you could do it here. The difference is in Oregon they are preference points, not bonus points like we have here. So in Oregon you can be fairly certain when you are going to draw and when you are not going to draw, unlike here.

  Pretty certain that little Johny isn't getting willed any youth bonus points from his 80 year old grandpa.........

[huntnphool]

I would like WDFW give us the ability to will our points to one family member.

Another bad idea! Only the person who earned the points should be able to use them.

You are okay with WDFW handing out points for turning in poachers, but you would not support a dying hunter their wish to see a immediate family member receive their life long dream/points?

[bobcat]

It's not that I would personally feel cheated. The people it would hurt are the new hunters. How would it be fair for a kid putting in for a youth hunt with 20 points, while everyone else in that pool has maybe two or three points at the most? It just wouldn't be fair to put certain people at the head of the line. They didn't put in for permits all those years, holding out for nothing but the best, and earn those points. As I said, only the people who eaarned the points deserve to use them. Nobody else.

Now if you do want to share your points that you've accumulated with someone, that's easy to do. Apply with them as a partner. That's how they are "selling" points in Oregon. They don't transfer the points to someone else, that would be impossible, there is no way to do that. They simply apply as partners. So if one person has 20 points and the other has none, they go in with the average of those points which would be 10. That's how they do it in Oregon, and that's exactly the same way you could do it here. The difference is in Oregon they are preference points, not bonus points like we have here. So in Oregon you can be fairly certain when you are going to draw and when you are not going to draw, unlike here.

  Pretty certain that little Johny isn't getting willed any youth bonus points from his 80 year old grandpa.........

Why not? Isn't that what we're talking about here? Even if that's not the case, my point is still valid. Doesn't matter which category they apply in. A person's points should be earned, not given to them by somebody else.

[kentrek]

Im only getting my info from watching on foot films when they mentioned a new program about "handi down tags" or something along thos lines..I could be wrong tho

[kentrek]

I guess I view points as property..I pay for them..they accumulate over the years (unlike the lottery)
They even have my social contracted to them for crying out loud...

[bobcat]

I guess I view points as property..I pay for them..they accumulate over the years (unlike the lottery)
They even have my social contracted to them for crying out loud...

I don't disagree with that, but the fact is, when you die, the points go with you. And that's as it should be.

[Karl Blanchard]

It's not that I would personally feel cheated. The people it would hurt are the new hunters. How would it be fair for a kid putting in for a youth hunt with 20 points, while everyone else in that pool has maybe two or three points at the most? It just wouldn't be fair to put certain people at the head of the line. They didn't put in for permits all those years, holding out for nothing but the best, and earn those points. As I said, only the people who eaarned the points deserve to use them. Nobody else.

Now if you do want to share your points that you've accumulated with someone, that's easy to do. Apply with them as a partner. That's how they are "selling" points in Oregon. They don't transfer the points to someone else, that would be impossible, there is no way to do that. They simply apply as partners. So if one person has 20 points and the other has none, they go in with the average of those points which would be 10. That's how they do it in Oregon, and that's exactly the same way you could do it here. The difference is in Oregon they are preference points, not bonus points like we have here. So in Oregon you can be fairly certain when you are going to draw and when you are not going to draw, unlike here.

  Pretty certain that little Johny isn't getting willed any youth bonus points from his 80 year old grandpa.........

Why not? Isn't that what we're talking about here? Even if that's not the case, my point is still valid. Doesn't matter which category they apply in. A person's points should be earned, not given to them by somebody else.

Why not?  Because an 80 year old man can't purchase youth points, thats why not.

[bobcat]

It's not that I would personally feel cheated. The people it would hurt are the new hunters. How would it be fair for a kid putting in for a youth hunt with 20 points, while everyone else in that pool has maybe two or three points at the most? It just wouldn't be fair to put certain people at the head of the line. They didn't put in for permits all those years, holding out for nothing but the best, and earn those points. As I said, only the people who eaarned the points deserve to use them. Nobody else.

Now if you do want to share your points that you've accumulated with someone, that's easy to do. Apply with them as a partner. That's how they are "selling" points in Oregon. They don't transfer the points to someone else, that would be impossible, there is no way to do that. They simply apply as partners. So if one person has 20 points and the other has none, they go in with the average of those points which would be 10. That's how they do it in Oregon, and that's exactly the same way you could do it here. The difference is in Oregon they are preference points, not bonus points like we have here. So in Oregon you can be fairly certain when you are going to draw and when you are not going to draw, unlike here.

  Pretty certain that little Johny isn't getting willed any youth bonus points from his 80 year old grandpa.........

Why not? Isn't that what we're talking about here? Even if that's not the case, my point is still valid. Doesn't matter which category they apply in. A person's points should be earned, not given to them by somebody else.

Why not?  Because an 80 year old man can't purchase youth points, thats why not.

Well, I was thinking if you want the option of tranferring points to another person, why couldn't they take those points in the youth category or wherever they wanted them? I mean we're making up the rules here, right?

Besides, I'm not so sure we all don't have youth points. When they distrbuted points into all the new categories in 2010, did we all get our points in the youth category as well? I know I have points in the "over 65 category" even though I never applied in that category before. They're just sitting there waiting for me to use them when I turn 65 in 19 years. Stupid yes, but that's the WDFW for ya.

[idahohuntr]

No way should points ever be willed/transferred or outright sold.   

Special permits are an opportunity, not an entitlement.  If you start transferring points you are just taking opportunity from someone else, in this case someone new to hunting without a "dynasty" of stockpiled points...ugh...the whole idea is horrible and becomes a slippery slope further commercializing hunting. 

 

[bobcat]

Well stated Idahohuntr.   

Discussion over. 

[huntnnw]

this state draw is so messed up I dont look at it like some other western states where your points actually do something for you down the road. I dont see my 13 sheep and goat points I look at as this is what it cost to be put in the hat for this year. There is way to many applicants for the OIL tags that points mean crap!

[kentrek]

No fat lady has sung yet...

Im not sure how oppertunity id being lost..if one person (grandpa) gives his points to another (lil max) grandpa is now out of the mix...same odds as before...its still your name in thit  hat against the x amount of others...It shouldn't matter if its grandpa's name or lil max's name

Would you wrather grandpa draw the tag an not use it ??


Again im 100% against selling points, im for giving tags/points to family members