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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2014, 12:48:38 PM »
Yep, the last two 3 yr packages have been the tues after Labor Day start.


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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2014, 12:52:14 PM »
Yep, the last two 3 yr packages have been the tues after Labor Day start.

Which sees it starting the 8th again in 2015.
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2014, 01:14:32 PM »
I don't want to settle for once every 7 years.


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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2014, 02:40:54 PM »
I don't want to settle for once every 7 years.

The east side modern deer guys have it just as bad, likely worse, I wouldn't complain too much.
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2014, 02:54:33 PM »
Just make it start on the second Saturday of Sept each year and run for 14 days.  This means it would end on a Friday and would not interfere with the next user group that would/could start on Saturday.  Still a floating start date, but much better dates to hunt each year.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2014, 02:57:26 PM »
Second Saturday might work if it was only a 9 day season. 14 days would put it too far into the rut, and also would conflict with some modern firearm permit hunts.


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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2014, 02:59:56 PM »
Second Saturday might work if it was only a 9 day season. 14 days would put it too far into the rut, and also would conflict with some modern firearm permit hunts.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2014, 03:09:52 PM »
Second Saturday might work if it was only a 9 day season. 14 days would put it too far into the rut, and also would conflict with some modern firearm permit hunts.


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As I've mentioned previously, who cares if there are one or two rifle rut tag holders out there w/us.  There are already bear hunters and bird hunters out there now.  Plus, some years it would go deeper into the rut (like 2014) and then seven years out it would start on the 8th.

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How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2014, 03:15:22 PM »
Apples to oranges.  We got screwed and I won't stop until we return to our 2006-2008 seasons.


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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2014, 03:15:57 PM »
I don't care personally, but that's what the WDFW will say. And, they would want archery hunters to wear orange.


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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2014, 03:17:35 PM »
Second Saturday might work if it was only a 9 day season. 14 days would put it too far into the rut, and also would conflict with some modern firearm permit hunts.


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As I've mentioned previously, who cares if there are one or two rifle rut tag holders out there w/us.  There are already bear hunters and bird hunters out there now.

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Why should archery hunters be afforded a longer season than other user groups?
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2014, 03:19:13 PM »

We don't wear orange now, with bear and bird hunters in the woods with us.  Why would one or two more hunters matter.  Doesn't make sense.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2014, 03:22:07 PM »
Second Saturday might work if it was only a 9 day season. 14 days would put it too far into the rut, and also would conflict with some modern firearm permit hunts.


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As I've mentioned previously, who cares if there are one or two rifle rut tag holders out there w/us.  There are already bear hunters and bird hunters out there now.

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Why should archery hunters be afforded a longer season than other user groups?

Ok, make it 13 days, as it is now.  I'm not going to get dragged into the debate about archery vs. ML vs. rifle.  But, there is a good reason why they progress from most primitive to modern.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2014, 04:09:18 PM »
I will.  Archery hunters should because it is flat out harder.  Don't agree?  Then make the switch to archery and see for yourself.


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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2014, 04:18:46 PM »
If you don't mind the 13 day season the answer is easy, wait six years and you get the season you want.  It gets worse every year after that for six years and then bingo back to the good season.  :chuckle:

It should be just a set start date, 8-20 and 8-21 would be great but at this point I would love to just see the set date with the number of days we have, 13.
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2014, 04:22:55 PM »
I will.  Archery hunters should because it is flat out harder.  Don't agree?  Then make the switch to archery and see for yourself.

So what if its harder, how does that justify archery hunters having more opportunity? Its not ML and modern hunters problem that you are not as successful.

And FYI I do hunt archery!
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2014, 04:26:35 PM »
I will.  Archery hunters should because it is flat out harder.  Don't agree?  Then make the switch to archery and see for yourself.


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I don't think that is necessarily an accurate comparison.  If hunting the exact same dates with weapon choice, sure.  But Sept 8-21 with a bow vs Nov 8-20 with a rifle....I think it is in favor of the bow.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2014, 04:29:47 PM »

I will.  Archery hunters should because it is flat out harder.  Don't agree?  Then make the switch to archery and see for yourself.

So what if its harder, how does that justify archery hunters having more opportunity? Its not ML and modern hunters problem that you are not as successful.

And FYI I do hunt archery!

The WDFW says they care.  All they preach is equal success rates.  I didn't say it was too hard for me but it is harder avg to avg.


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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2014, 08:06:45 PM »

What? You would'nt give up your compound for the op'ty to hunt in the middle of the rut and have a season that runs for 19 days at the best time of the year? And its deer season too!

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lol...too funny.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2014, 08:14:11 PM »
I didnt give them the shaft. Mod compounds and muzzies today have no compare with what the original intent of the primitive season was all about. These weapons have outpaced their perceived category.
True, the weapons have evolved well beyond what they were when the separate seasons were first created. Fifteen years ago I wouldn't have said this...but I think I might live long enough to see "Primitive Weapons Only" at some level; maybe units only, or maybe seasons...time will tell.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2014, 08:25:25 PM »
Apples to oranges.  We got screwed and I won't stop until we return to our 2006-2008 seasons.


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 :yeah:
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2014, 08:36:05 PM »
I didnt give them the shaft. Mod compounds and muzzies today have no compare with what the original intent of the primitive season was all about. These weapons have outpaced their perceived category.
True, the weapons have evolved well beyond what they were when the separate seasons were first created. Fifteen years ago I wouldn't have said this...but I think I might live long enough to see "Primitive Weapons Only" at some level; maybe units only, or maybe seasons...time will tell.
My Mathews bow flings arrows at 300 fps and is more than 15 years old. Todays bows don't make the difference to justify a "primitive weapon" "too much technology", "end of hunting" argument for a additional "allocation", based on their "evolution" :chuckle:

 Just as your Luminok scare tactics and fear mongering comments didn't see a resulting slaughter of animals with their use last year. :chuckle:

 You want longer seasons or your own personal season, fine, I can understand that. Lets not make up another bunch of BS excuses of what you "think" the original intention of seperate seasons and technologies role in those seasons was "meant" to play. :hello:
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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2014, 08:54:26 PM »
When the bowhunters first won separate seasons a 30 yard shot with a bow was considered about as difficult as a 300 yard rifle shot; people who had shot both weapons said a guy could shoot ten times farther with a rifle and that was widely accepted as a good generality. Today we have some guy on YouTube popping balloons with a compound from 300 yards. It is very evident that technology has removed from bowhunting the challenge that it presented when it was first granted the opportunity for longer seasons. Those who argue that it shouldn’t have longer seasons only know compound hunting. And compound hunting is entirely different…from a different planet, so to speak…from what bowhunting seasons were created for; they were created to give outdoorsmen who were willing to accept the greater challenge more time afield, and were justified by the inherent difficulty of shooting the weapon. As the difficulty decreases with technological advances (and 300 yard balloon shots demonstrated) it becomes harder and harder to justify the longer seasons. And so…primitive seasons for primitive weapons will soon again be an argument that might be worth discussing.
But this thread is about how to get the elk seasons back to September 8-21. Can you keep those thoughts flowing? This summer the WDFW will start fleshing out the recommendations for the 2015-17 package and we need to have our ducks lined up by the Fall of this year.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2014, 09:31:48 PM »
Not sure if someone already said this but I talked to some game wardens and they said that next year is going to be the 8-21.  It is going to follow the day after Labor Day trend.  So everyone chill.  It is going to be alright.

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Re: How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2014, 09:37:49 PM »
I didnt give them the shaft. Mod compounds and muzzies today have no compare with what the original intent of the primitive season was all about. These weapons have outpaced their perceived category.
True, the weapons have evolved well beyond what they were when the separate seasons were first created. Fifteen years ago I wouldn't have said this...but I think I might live long enough to see "Primitive Weapons Only" at some level; maybe units only, or maybe seasons...time will tell.
My Mathews bow flings arrows at 300 fps and is more than 15 years old. Todays bows don't make the difference to justify a "primitive weapon" "too much technology", "end of hunting" argument for a additional "allocation", based on their "evolution" :chuckle:

 Just as your Luminok scare tactics and fear mongering comments didn't see a resulting slaughter of animals with their use last year. :chuckle:

 You want longer seasons or your own personal season, fine, I can understand that. Lets not make up another bunch of BS excuses of what you "think" the original intention of seperate seasons and technologies role in those seasons was "meant" to play. :hello:


Well I was never against luminox nor did I ever comment negatively about them. I actually think they're a great asset for the modern archer. Sure I'd like to have a longer season, who would'nt? My premise is based in the reality that the available technology has advanced far beyond what can even be remotely considered primitive. Lets face it the compounds of today are anything but. You might be lucky to have wood scales on the grip but thats it; everything else is engineered composites and exotic metals. You modern myopic archers are the ones BSing yourselves. My desire to get back to a primitive weapons only season is valid and I think would be very desirable for many. Longbows, wood recurves and sidelock muzzies all in one 3 week season. I'm simply reacting to the realities today. Compound bow shots at ballons at 300 yards and making them. Also many here brag on shooting and killing animals at 80-100 yards, my muzzy is really only effective out 100 yds.