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Re: How WA Archery Elk Compares to ID
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2014, 03:49:34 PM »
They need to put the early season back to Sept. 8th - 21st. This will keep more hunters here in WA. Right now archers are going to other states (I'm going to Idaho) because their chances of taking a bull are higher because of the ability to hunt in late September.


I also want longer seasons, but if you are in a good area and decent at hunting then with the current seasons you should have no issue getting a chance at a bull. I am no pro but I have had shots at bulls the last 6 years. every year I have had numerous chances and am into elk 95% of the time. I hunted 11 days this year. I saw elk 10 of those and never once saw another hunter. My wife arrowed a bull, my buddy killed one the same day one timber ridge up.. and I had 4 chances and missed a nice 5x5.
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Re: How WA Archery Elk Compares to ID
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2014, 04:45:04 PM »
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My personal desire for WA would be to stop giving out the general spike/cow tags for the great units and instead go permit only and triple the any bull tags. We'd stop seeing the 400 inch monsters that the raffle tag winners get, but 3 times as many guys would have great hunts each year and still take some nice bulls.


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And I'd take that even one step further- permit only elk hunting for the entire state. There are simply too many hunters for the number of elk this state has.

What about permit only for the whole state for elk but not just for branched bulls? Increase the branched tags in some units but then offer other permits such as spike, cow, three point minimum etc. This would not only allow for some more hunter opportunity but allow the state to still manage each unit individually to try and hit desired numbers, ratios and stability.


Yes.....something creative like that.  Look at the Nevada mule deer model.  Enough tags so that most people can hunt every other year or so
Are you listening to yourself? To Hades with that! I don't want to wait years to go hunting!
Then you must never put in for special permits :chuckle:
Why would someone? You guys are saying have special permits to allow for cow, spike and branched bull harvests. We already have that now. Its called OTC. The only valid point I've heard so far is that the state will then be able to manage individual heards better. If they had a antlerless harvest say every 2-4 years in the 3+ units and additional bull harvests when there are too many bulls in a antlerless and spike unit to set the ratio straight elk hunting would improve across the state. To put it simply they can do all this already, they choose not to or believe that the elk are already being managed as well as can be expected. Bull to cow ratio=better genetics=healthy herd=better opportunity for all=increased revenue for wdfw. Obviously its not this easy because poaching/predator/and native harvest can be difficult to account for and dang near impossable to predict. For all intent and purposes Idaho faces the same issues we have here.

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Re: How WA Archery Elk Compares to ID
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2014, 02:26:51 PM »
No comparison in my book. Idaho takes the cake and eats it!!!!
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Re: How WA Archery Elk Compares to ID
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2014, 12:55:17 PM »
Look no further than the hunting dates alone...archery gets the month of September. ..no brainer.
Washington is in a death spiral. ..general season spike only is not management. ..the east side deer is 3 point or better. ..have fun waiting 7 years to draw a tag...I'm gone.
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Re: How WA Archery Elk Compares to ID
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2014, 01:03:23 PM »
You want my money?
Open season September elk...all September.
5 point or better east side...3 point better west side.
we have plenty of ground for increased herds...the problem is management. ..the only way to get a bull cow ratio with the current management is to kill cows...Brilliant
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Re: How WA Archery Elk Compares to ID
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2014, 01:31:30 PM »
I would like to see some of the Hanford bulls scattered around the state to help with the gene pool, granted this wouldnt work with Roosevelt's but if there was the quality of elk here as there (state wide not just a couple units) is in Idaho more people may stay as well.

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Re: How WA Archery Elk Compares to ID
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2014, 06:48:18 AM »
Some units in E WA could have longer seasons since we have so many elk in some units to let the privliged master hunters hunt 22 days for them! :bash: Pisses me off to no end! No damn reason archers should have to quit hunting elk on Dec 8th but you can still be out chasing deer till the 15th and then let the Master hunters come in on the 9th during deer and run around screwing up archers hunts. :bash:

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Re: How WA Archery Elk Compares to ID
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2014, 03:09:21 AM »
Fair shake? We have the shortest of seasons seeing as we are only allowed archery. There is barely anything beautiful about timberland strewn with logging roads. A permit for access can cost 200 dollars after the 100 dollar combo elk and deer. Kind of makes Idaho and Oregon a bargain at 500 and a better hunt. The only thing making WA good before was the access and the fact that once you're on elk you pretty much stay on elk. While I was in NC recently 6 either sex deer tags, 3 turkey, 2 boar, one bear, all birds, and all fishing/shellfish added up to 65 dollars for multisession. What is going on here!?

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Re: How WA Archery Elk Compares to ID
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2014, 03:21:38 AM »
I almost forgot. Multiseason tags cost 300 dollars for elk+deer here if you don't care to have the shortest hunting season in the lower 48. Many other states: 1 September to New Years for deer. I do understand why that's not good idea for elk.

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Re: How WA Archery Elk Compares to ID
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2014, 03:25:14 AM »
You want my money?
Open season September elk...all September.
5 point or better east side...3 point better west side.
we have plenty of ground for increased herds...the problem is management. ..the only way to get a bull cow ratio with the current management is to kill cows...Brilliant

That would be the way to do it.