“Simply put, the government lied to minimize opposition to wolf recovery.”

[idahohuntr]

“Another lie is that wolf depredation on livestock is only a minor problem,” Dr. Kay said.  “100 percent of the wolf packs in Wyoming, Montana and Idaho have turned to killing livestock and I have this in writing from the USFWS and Wildlife Services.”

Talk about a lie alright! 100%!! Give me a break.

A lie? Were you there Ida? 

A wolf pack was finally confirmed in the Methow because they were reported to the state patrol, hanging out at a school bus stop, and in 2009 wolves killed a cow and calf in the Methow,  the rest of the wolf packs in WA have been confirmed due to livestock kills. That would be 100% for WA.

You sure are quick to criticize people that don't fit your wolf agenda.

It is an absurd statement to say all wolf packs kill livestock.  There are many wolf packs where livestock is rare/non-existent.

[Woodchuck]

Name three...

[turkeyfeather]

I don't know if it's comical or sad that one who claims to be a hunter can actually sit here and say that wolves have had no impact on ungulates.

[sirmissalot]

I don't know if it's comical or sad that one who claims to be a hunter can actually sit here and say that wolves have had no impact on ungulates.

What's funny is how contradictory he is. He'll make those comments, then in other threads say he's never said that. It's pretty entertaining.

Deer and elk are doing quite well in areas he says... The areas with no wolves! Ever notice that? We have a few units in wyoming, in the "trophy areas" near Yellowstone that are still teaming with elk. And guess what... Wolf sitings are rare! The only thing really helping them is the number of Grizzlies in the area. At least in my opinion. The management of wolves has helped immensely up there, not so much because of the reduction of wolves, but those suckers are smart and have now learned what it's like to be shot at or see others in their pack killed. Hopefully wyoming gets their act together and can get the wolves delisted again. And soon. 

[Elkaholic daWg]

I don't know if it's comical or sad that one who claims to be a hunter can actually sit here and say that wolves have had no impact on ungulates.

.....While saying he doesn't give a "dam" about wolf introduction

[idahohuntr]

Name three...

Kelly Cr, Lochsa, Red Ives, Battle Ridge, Cedars, Deception Pt. packs...thats 6 off the top of my head and those are only Idaho packs.

[idahohuntr]

I don't know if it's comical or sad that one who claims to be a hunter can actually sit here and say that wolves have had no impact on ungulates.

What's funny is how contradictory he is. He'll make those comments, then in other threads say he's never said that. It's pretty entertaining.

Deer and elk are doing quite well in areas he says... The areas with no wolves! Ever notice that? We have a few units in wyoming, in the "trophy areas" near Yellowstone that are still teaming with elk. And guess what... Wolf sitings are rare! The only thing really helping them is the number of Grizzlies in the area. At least in my opinion. The management of wolves has helped immensely up there, not so much because of the reduction of wolves, but those suckers are smart and have now learned what it's like to be shot at or see others in their pack killed. Hopefully wyoming gets their act together and can get the wolves delisted again. And soon.

Do you guys tell these lies that I have ever said wolves can't impact ungulates because you actually believe them...or do you tell these lies because its too difficult for you to comprehend that there are more than 2 positions (pro and anti) to take on wolf management?

All the zones and units I hunt in Idaho have multiple confirmed wolf packs present, so your assumptions that I hunt away from wolves in places like very S. Idaho are again incorrect.

[wolfbait]

Name three...

Kelly Cr, Lochsa, Red Ives, Battle Ridge, Cedars, Deception Pt. packs...thats 6 off the top of my head and those are only Idaho packs.

Do you know for a fact that the wolf packs you listed above were not from problem packs that the USFWS relocated?

You do know that the USFWS relocated some livestock killing wolves instead of killing them don't you? That was part of the non-lethal methods that were used in MT, WY and Idaho.

Remember the first wolves brought in, the first thing they did was start killing livestock.

[sirmissalot]

Idaho, do you carry a wolf tag with you when hunting?

[Woodchuck]

Name three...

Kelly Cr, Lochsa, Red Ives, Battle Ridge, Cedars, Deception Pt. packs...thats 6 off the top of my head and those are only Idaho packs.

Do you know for a fact that the wolf packs you listed above were not from problem packs that the USFWS relocated?

You do know that the USFWS relocated some livestock killing wolves instead of killing them don't you? That was part of the non-lethal methods that were used in MT, WY and Idaho.

Remember the first wolves brought in, the first thing they did was start killing livestock.

Do you have proof that those packs have not killed stock?

[wolfbait]

I don't know if it's comical or sad that one who claims to be a hunter can actually sit here and say that wolves have had no impact on ungulates.

What's funny is how contradictory he is. He'll make those comments, then in other threads say he's never said that. It's pretty entertaining.

Deer and elk are doing quite well in areas he says... The areas with no wolves! Ever notice that? We have a few units in wyoming, in the "trophy areas" near Yellowstone that are still teaming with elk. And guess what... Wolf sitings are rare! The only thing really helping them is the number of Grizzlies in the area. At least in my opinion. The management of wolves has helped immensely up there, not so much because of the reduction of wolves, but those suckers are smart and have now learned what it's like to be shot at or see others in their pack killed. Hopefully wyoming gets their act together and can get the wolves delisted again. And soon.

Do you guys tell these lies that I have ever said wolves can't impact ungulates because you actually believe them...or do you tell these lies because its too difficult for you to comprehend that there are more than 2 positions (pro and anti) to take on wolf management?

All the zones and units I hunt in Idaho have multiple confirmed wolf packs present, so your assumptions that I hunt away from wolves in places like very S. Idaho are again incorrect.

I'm not sure if anyone really cares where you hunt, if you hunt at all.

The only areas that wolves have not impacted the ungulates is where there are very few wolves or no wolves at all, thats a given. So what was your point again or do you even have a point?

After 18 plus years of wolves and the lies of the USFWS, state game agencies and environmentalists have told to promote wolves exposed, pro-wolfers can only BS the fans.

There are not to many fans on W-H anymore.

[mfswallace]

Idaho, do you carry a wolf tag with you when hunting?

Man that's a great question!!

[idahohuntr]

Name three...

Kelly Cr, Lochsa, Red Ives, Battle Ridge, Cedars, Deception Pt. packs...thats 6 off the top of my head and those are only Idaho packs.

Do you know for a fact that the wolf packs you listed above were not from problem packs that the USFWS relocated?

You do know that the USFWS relocated some livestock killing wolves instead of killing them don't you? That was part of the non-lethal methods that were used in MT, WY and Idaho.

Remember the first wolves brought in, the first thing they did was start killing livestock.

Do you have proof that those packs have not killed stock?

How about you prove to me these packs have killed livestock...like I said, thats 6 off the top of my head...your turning this into a ridiculous argument whereby I could not possibly submit enough proof to the folks with securely fastened tinfoil hats.  No reported livestock kills, few or no grazing allotments...that will just be twisted into "the government is lying"...its impossible to prove a negative if folks won't accept reasonable evidence.  So...like I said, prove to me these packs have...just post a photo of livestock killed by each of these 6 packs...thats only 6 photos. 

[idahohuntr]

Idaho, do you carry a wolf tag with you when hunting?

Man that's a great question!!

When I first became a non-resident and they were still $180 I did not buy them.  When they changed the price to $30 you bet 

In fact I was one of the first hunters to ever buy a wolf tag...I even framed it after I did not fill it...I was probably one of the first 200 or so people to ever buy a wolf tag in the west.  I know this doesn't fit your cute little narrative where I am some wolf loving hippie...I'm sorry about that...I really am.  Maybe you should go over to the coyote board and take a look at that cute little coyote picture I posted the other day...he's the one with his head caved in where my 160 gr 7mm smashed into him 

[Woodchuck]

Name three...

Kelly Cr, Lochsa, Red Ives, Battle Ridge, Cedars, Deception Pt. packs...thats 6 off the top of my head and those are only Idaho packs.

Do you know for a fact that the wolf packs you listed above were not from problem packs that the USFWS relocated?

You do know that the USFWS relocated some livestock killing wolves instead of killing them don't you? That was part of the non-lethal methods that were used in MT, WY and Idaho.

Remember the first wolves brought in, the first thing they did was start killing livestock.

Do you have proof that those packs have not killed stock?

How about you prove to me these packs have killed livestock...like I said, thats 6 off the top of my head...your turning this into a ridiculous argument whereby I could not possibly submit enough proof to the folks with securely fastened tinfoil hats.  No reported livestock kills, few or no grazing allotments...that will just be twisted into "the government is lying"...its impossible to prove a negative if folks won't accept reasonable evidence.  So...like I said, prove to me these packs have...just post a photo of livestock killed by each of these 6 packs...thats only 6 photos. 

Um, I am not the one making the claims, I asked a simple question. Anybody with a keyboard can do a google search of wolf pack names. I just asked you to prove out your claim of knowledge on these packs.