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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2016, 09:25:15 AM »
The baiting issue is moving fast and I wanted to let people know the options out there and what WSB is doing about this.  WSB is supporting option B.  Here are the three proposals out there right now:

Version A
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WAC 232-12-xxx Baiting for the purposes of hunting deer or elk.

(1) For the purposes of this section:

(a) "Bait" is any salt, grain, fruit, hay or other food-based at- tractant that could serve as a lure or attraction for deer or elk.
(b) Scent attractants and scent covers are not considered bait.

(2) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful to hunt deer or elk using any type of bait placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attract- ing deer or elk to an area where one or more persons intend to hunt them.

(3) Exceptions: Hunting on or over the following is not consid- ered an unlawful use of bait while hunting deer or elk:
(a) Farms or ranches where active agricultural operations including salt or mineral distribution for livestock, crop fields, orchards, vineyards, hay fields, haystacks, or pastures exist;
(b) Abandoned orchards or vineyards;
(c) Naturally occurring mineral deposits; or
(d) Food plots planted for wildlife and left undisturbed.
 
(4) A violation of this section is punishable as an infraction under RCW 77.15.160
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Version B

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WAC 232-12-xxx Bait volume limits for the purpose of hunting deer or elk. (1) For the purposes of this section:
(a) "Bait" is any salt, grain, fruit, hay or other food-based at- tractant that could serve as a lure or attraction for deer or elk.
(b) Scent attractants and scent covers are not considered bait.

(2) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful to hunt for deer and elk using any type of bait placed, exposed, de- posited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting deer or elk to an area where one or more persons intend to
hunt them, if the volume of bait exceeds 10 gallons (1.34 cubic feet).

(3) Exceptions: Hunting on or over the following is not consid- ered an unlawful use of bait while hunting deer or elk:
(a) Farms or ranches where active agricultural operations includ- ing salt or mineral distribution for livestock, crop fields, orchards, vineyards, hay fields, haystacks, or pastures exist;
(b) Abandoned orchards or vineyards;
(c) Naturally occurring mineral deposits; or
(d) Food plots planted for wildlife and left undisturbed.

(4) A violation of this section is punishable as an infraction under RCW 77.15.160
 
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NEW SECTION

WAC 232-12-xxx Baiting for the purposes of hunting deer or elk with exceptions.
(1) For the purposes of this section:
(a) "Bait" is any salt, grain, fruit, hay or other food-based at- tractant that could serve as a lure or attraction for deer or elk.
(b) Scent attractants and scent covers are not considered bait.

(2) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful to hunt deer or elk using any type of bait placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attract- ing deer or elk to an area where one or more persons intend to hunt them.

(3) Exceptions:
(a) Hunting on or over the following is not considered an unlaw- ful use of bait while hunting deer or elk:
(i) Farms or ranches where active agricultural operations includ- ing salt or mineral distribution for livestock, crop fields, orchards, vineyards, hay fields, haystacks, or pastures exist;
(ii) Abandoned orchards or vineyards;
(iii) Naturally occurring mineral deposits; or
(iv) Food plots planted for wildlife and left undisturbed.
(b) Hunters that meet the requirements of a hunter with a disa- bility and possessing a valid disabled hunter permit as provided in RCW 77.32.237 and 77.32.238; or is sixty-five years old or older; or qualifies as a youth hunter and possesses a youth license; can use bait for the purposes of hunting deer or elk if the volume of bait
present is 10 gallons (1.34 cubic feet) or less.
(c) Hunters may use bait while hunting deer or elk on private lands with the express permission of the landowner if those lands are designated as within an urban growth area or a firearm restriction area by a county or municipal government and the volume of bait present
Is 10 gallons (1.34 cubic feet) or less.

(4) A violation of this section is punishable as an infraction under RCW 77.15.160

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2016, 09:40:13 AM »
Thanks for the update. I could live with option B.

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2016, 09:43:30 AM »
I think option B is the lesser of the evils.

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2016, 09:59:05 AM »
Thanks for the update.  If no change is not an option then option B is what I would chose.  I have sent my opinion of no change is needed and hope that in the end there is no change.

Thanks again for the update.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2016, 10:34:52 AM »
I assume that by distributed that would eliminate the bait in an auto feeder.  if you have a 200 pound capacity auto feeder only the feed actually on the ground would count.  Hopefully the same would hold true for a gravity feeder as well, only the bait actually on the ground would count towards the ten gallons.  Another question I would have is could you bait all year and then remove it 10 days or whatever before the season.  Also I would be interested to know how many bait sites could you have.  Is it one site per lot, per acre or per what?

I still think they should make a rule for a specific area rather than restrict it statewide.  That is why they have GMUs, that way they can micromanage smaller areas.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2016, 11:19:43 AM »
B would be acceptable, however, some people use alfalfa (I don't), maybe an exception for a half bale or something like that should be included?

I also agree with Rainier10 that it would be better served by GMU rather than blanket rule.

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2016, 11:28:49 AM »
Uggg...I don't like any of them.  I could live with B.  The problem with C, even though I contend bait is most helpful to youth, senior, disabled hunters, is that by placing bait you essentially make that area off limits for non disabled/youth/senior hunters. 

On the volume - I think they need to set a limit to address the semi load of apples issue...and I hope/suspect the on the ground enforcement will not be to look for guys who maybe have 15 gallons of bait vs. 10...but literally guys dumping semi loads of apples.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2016, 11:56:37 AM »
I find it frustrating that the complaints were about semi trucks of apples and we have to do all of this to restrict one little problem.  Let's address the complaints and don't try and legislate things that aren't a problem.  It's sort of like gun legislation, lots of laws that won't effect or stop the real problem but we pass them to make ourselves feel better?

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2016, 12:21:21 PM »
I support option C, no change.  Deer are fed and baited all over the country and there is no big problem.  If you don't like it, don't do it.

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2016, 12:29:34 PM »
Option C is not "no change."  Read it again. It says no bait allowed except for youth, 65 or older, and disabled hunters.

Or, on private land with landowner's permission if it's within a firearm restriction area or urban growth boundary.

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2016, 12:48:10 PM »
I find it frustrating that the complaints were about semi trucks of apples and we have to do all of this to restrict one little problem.  Let's address the complaints and don't try and legislate things that aren't a problem.  It's sort of like gun legislation, lots of laws that won't effect or stop the real problem but we pass them to make ourselves feel better?

Makes no sense does it :dunno: :bash:

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2016, 12:50:35 PM »
I find it frustrating that the complaints were about semi trucks of apples and we have to do all of this to restrict one little problem.  Let's address the complaints and don't try and legislate things that aren't a problem.  It's sort of like gun legislation, lots of laws that won't effect or stop the real problem but we pass them to make ourselves feel better?

I agree 100% and feel so do many of the people taking a stand on the issue at hand. Fix the simple problem that actually IS a problem, and leave the rest of it alone. It seems too difficult these days to address a problem solely and make a change. However, it's far easier to make a mess of a situation and start a hunter vs hunter war, which it shouldn't be. :twocents:

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2016, 02:01:17 PM »
I find it frustrating that the complaints were about semi trucks of apples and we have to do all of this to restrict one little problem.  Let's address the complaints and don't try and legislate things that aren't a problem.  It's sort of like gun legislation, lots of laws that won't effect or stop the real problem but we pass them to make ourselves feel better?
Exactly. The big complaint is about outfitters in one or two gmus aged ting migration routes with truckloads of apples. Is it that tough to limit baiting to ten gallons in gmu whatever starting in November?
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