Every wonder why the big elk are gone by the time you finally draw a tag?

[Time Immemorial]

I cant believe the number of people willing to turn a blind eye on the tribal issues in Wa. Must not spend much time in the woods watching what's really going on? Btw, I would hang a non native just as high for the same BS, so don't make it a race thing........The native slaughter is going to have to be reined in at some point fellas

A race thing?? I have never seen a thread started on hear about the round up in Montana of all white guys herding up hundreds of elk shooting from there vehicles, wounding game and leaving. That's a hell of a hunt.
How about the Russians taking over the lake beaches in Eastern Washington? Slaughtering of elk and deer cutting off heads and back straps?? How about Asians shooting a herd of elk with a semi automatic and leaving all dead. I did see a guy start a Indian bashing thread on here to find out it was Mexicans. The only one making this a race issue is you all blaming the Indians. It's in every race my friend!

. One big difference between all those instances and the tribal issue.  That difference is any non tribal member caught shooting an animal out of season or without a proper license and transport tag is breaking the law and can be prosecuted for it.  Tribe does it and then rolls through the McDonalds parking lot and grabs a mcchicken.  Oh and that bull is WAY bigger than 300".

There you go again blaming the whole tribe bud, it's not the WHOLE TRIBE, come on now like I've said before by doing so you are including children and I don't agree with that, if so then your kids are just as guilty for a white fellow poaching as you are for letting it happen.

[Time Immemorial]

Wait a minute... if all the big elk are gone then how do the natives keep shooting them year after year? 

there not all gone but they hunt them in there winter mode ... easy pickings kinda like netting salmon 

If they are hunting them after the common property season, they were there for you to try to hunt. They are shooting bulls that survived the regular season. I guess you had your chances.

Dude this area is not a general season any elk it's a true spike only unless youre lucky a f*** and draw one of its very very very few tags. 

Actually you can see many 300" bulls from the road if you know where to look and especially say your in the hills come dec/jan!  Not to say non tribal are perfect they are not but the number of Indians shooting animals does way more damage to the bull elk numbers for this unit then any other group hands down.  Our state turns a blind eye to it. 

  Naches does a good job because he hunts hard and doesn't blab about how he just saw some bull at x spot on this site! 

Tell me why you all find it ok to kill bull  elk by the truck loads and think that it's ok?  Well you asked for pictures to prove Indians are shooting things besides meat hunts.  Every time I see one I will post it along with those that help them. 

And to anyone that thinks this bull is in the low 300" your an idiot look at that bull again it is easily over 380" even in a bad picture.  It is actually 404"+\- a couple inches.   most will never have a chance to go after one because the tags are getting lower every year for bulls in these units.

Plat, what would you like me to do go yell at some Indians shooting elk I can't do much but show everyone else pictures of  your bros killing our bull elk away.  Hope you guys are proud of yourselves!  Poaching machine!

They are not your elk lol

[PlateauNDN]

  get real, if you think I'm getting mad. since yet again your assumptions are incorrect, I don't care who your sources are and aside from those that are law abiding why would it bother what you know about tribal hunter activity? But again, your assumptions think I'm defending the abusers, the law breakers or the gluttonness ones which I'm not but hey, knock yourself out. I recognized the rack when I seen your pic but waited to see what story you had so I guess I'll share  what I know. I know who the tribal member is that shot this bull and its not the person in the pic you posted. I had to wait to confirm the identity and bull but since both have been  identified I also know   him from years ago as an old classmate though we haven't spoken for many years and weren't bros but we do know each other. Aside from that the person that showed me the pic of him and that bull said he posted itwas a rez bull. I dont know the accuracy of that though. So what's your story? And do you even know the type of mount that was done for this bull since you know so much? Let's hear your version now?

[Time Immemorial]

I'm not the one getting and jumping to conclusions. You don't know me and I don't know  so I guess we can just agree to disagree.  I'm sure you know the specifics but you're not helping the cause by not sharing something about it.  Is there some flaw or something inaccurate about your "story" is that why you don't care to share facts about it? Is the pic you provided supposed to be the taxi or the hunter? Or do you even know?

YOU POACHER!!!

[Time Immemorial]

get real, if you think I'm getting mad. since yet again your assumptions are incorrect, I don't care who your sources are and aside from those that are law abiding why would it bother what you know about tribal hunter activity? But again, your assumptions think I'm defending the abusers, the law breakers or the gluttonness ones which I'm not but hey, knock yourself out. I recognized the rack when I seen your pic but waited to see what story you had so I guess I'll share  what I know. I know who the tribal member is that shot this bull and its not the person in the pic you posted. I had to wait to confirm the identity and bull but since both have been  identified I also know   him from years ago as an old classmate though we haven't spoken for many years and weren't bros but we do know each other. Aside from that the person that showed me the pic of him and that bull said he posted itwas a rez bull. I dont know the accuracy of that though. So what's your story? And do you even know the type of mount that was done for this bull since you know so much? Let's hear your version now?

Because you was born YAKAMA you are a POACHER, so are your children, keep fighting the good fight BRO  they'll never change, we are wrong because we my friend are red and not white, if your not white then anything you do is wrong.

[Karl Blanchard]

I cant believe the number of people willing to turn a blind eye on the tribal issues in Wa. Must not spend much time in the woods watching what's really going on? Btw, I would hang a non native just as high for the same BS, so don't make it a race thing........The native slaughter is going to have to be reined in at some point fellas

A race thing?? I have never seen a thread started on hear about the round up in Montana of all white guys herding up hundreds of elk shooting from there vehicles, wounding game and leaving. That's a hell of a hunt.
How about the Russians taking over the lake beaches in Eastern Washington? Slaughtering of elk and deer cutting off heads and back straps?? How about Asians shooting a herd of elk with a semi automatic and leaving all dead. I did see a guy start a Indian bashing thread on here to find out it was Mexicans. The only one making this a race issue is you all blaming the Indians. It's in every race my friend!

. One big difference between all those instances and the tribal issue.  That difference is any non tribal member caught shooting an animal out of season or without a proper license and transport tag is breaking the law and can be prosecuted for it.  Tribe does it and then rolls through the McDonalds parking lot and grabs a mcchicken.  Oh and that bull is WAY bigger than 300".

There you go again blaming the whole tribe bud, it's not the WHOLE TRIBE, come on now like I've said before by doing so you are including children and I don't agree with that, if so then your kids are just as guilty for a white fellow poaching as you are for letting it happen.

. Come on Time!  You and I both know I have never blamed the WHOLE tribe!  Just because I didn't type out "Yakama/Muckelshoot enrolled member who over harvests" doesn't mean I am painting with that broad of a brush.  Next time I see you post about non tribal poaching please make sure you specify what kind of poacher they are. 

[Time Immemorial]

This bull was killed on the rez for your info. So this is just a bashing thread once again, jump to conclusions as always racist people lol

[biggbuck]

That is not the shooter. Just a kid posing with the bull. So the op is full of you know what he knows nothing of this bull. I guarantee you guys it is not from where you guys think it's from. Oh yeah and for info it is well over 400 inches. I know the person who shot this bull. Man it makes me laugh all you guys making assumptions when you know nothing about the subject. 

[biggbuck]

Yes it was shot on the rez. Just bashing but you guys are right you never would had any chances to harvest this bull.

[baker5150]

If this states Elk herd is in danger of being over hunted, then all matters need to be addressed.  Tribal, Poaching, Wolves, winter kill, etc.   The issue I have is the state turns a blind eye to what wolves are doing, and what the Tribes do and won't do. 

If the Herd suffers to the point of no more hunting, are the Tribes going to stop hunting them?  Are the Wolves?

Are our herds actually suffering from over harvest?  Can anyone on here say that and actually back it up with something other than "there are no elk where I hunt"

[bearhunter99]

my bros...oh yes, I forgot, we all know each other and all are best of buddies.  Sorry but I'm not a poacher and sorry to disappoint you but I actually do step out of my truck. since you know so much o of the bull  why not share some info?

If something was illegal in the killing of this bull why noThoughiIdoubt e the info instead of beating around the bush side stepping the request?  Hey hunterrcc, did you andyour buddy from thorp have fun shooting over 30 deer and leaving them to waste? Or how about your bros that poached the 2 bulls down in the blues?  Though I doubt you actually know them I'm just making making assumptions like you.

Actually that poacher that shot the deer is getting in trouble just like the other guys in the blues not enough if you ask me but no one does anymore. They are not my kind and I am not ok with the killing the animals unlike you defending the Indians killing big Bulls year after year no limits or oversite Involved ever!  I guess it would make sense you would be offend when I lump you into that Indian group because you too like to shoot Bulls like this!     Like blman stated they get in trouble and can be prosecuted unlike natives!

You shouldn't be attacking Plat.  If you actually read his responses in other threads you would realize that he has never condoned the over-harvesting of big bulls and has never "defended" the other members of the tribe that are causing these problems.  From what I have seen he has done what he can to try to alleviate the situation by asking for any information of wastage to be relayed to him so that he can try to make changes. 

We all need to be diligent when out in  the woods.  If you see something that doesn't look right, take a picture, jot down some notes and turn it over to the proper authorities instead of ranting and raving.  If they say they can't do anything about it tell them you still want to file a report, get it on paper, establish a pattern. 

[coachcw]

I have from a good source , uncles cousins brothers sisters grandpa that  the bull is NOT a rez bull ..... ! and no one in there right mind is gonna give up the location. I know lumping hunters or poachers together is dangerous ... I know of two YAR members that don't abuse their rights and Plat is one of them . the Facts are there are a few members that completely abuse there rights and over harvest trophy or pre trophy animals with minimal effort . Just go onto the firing center in November and look at the harvest book new page every couple of days and the same couple Indians over and over in the book I know that I saw the same guys name 15-20 times at least . I hunted it hard and covered tons of miles passing deer every day looking for a good representation of a mule deer . It would take 3-4 years to build it up to a amazing unit but that wont happen at current tribal harvest numbers.. once those deer are gone they will just move on like sheep and deplete the next spot ( I guess that's already happened too )

[Rob Allen]

While I do not support tribal gill net  fisheries, and I think that tribal fishermen have a tendency to be very wasteful with what they do catch and would suspect the same from a hunter i guess, though i have no first hand knowledge of it.   I  would not  for one minute want to trade places  with them in any way  shape  or form.  We  have treated them like crap  until very recently.  Not in any way condoning  their behavior, just saying i would not  want to be in their position.

[baker5150]

my bros...oh yes, I forgot, we all know each other and all are best of buddies.  Sorry but I'm not a poacher and sorry to disappoint you but I actually do step out of my truck. since you know so much o of the bull  why not share some info?

If something was illegal in the killing of this bull why noThoughiIdoubt e the info instead of beating around the bush side stepping the request?  Hey hunterrcc, did you andyour buddy from thorp have fun shooting over 30 deer and leaving them to waste? Or how about your bros that poached the 2 bulls down in the blues?  Though I doubt you actually know them I'm just making making assumptions like you.

Actually that poacher that shot the deer is getting in trouble just like the other guys in the blues not enough if you ask me but no one does anymore. They are not my kind and I am not ok with the killing the animals unlike you defending the Indians killing big Bulls year after year no limits or oversite Involved ever!  I guess it would make sense you would be offend when I lump you into that Indian group because you too like to shoot Bulls like this!     Like blman stated they get in trouble and can be prosecuted unlike natives!

You shouldn't be attacking Plat.  If you actually read his responses in other threads you would realize that he has never condoned the over-harvesting of big bulls and has never "defended" the other members of the tribe that are causing these problems.  From what I have seen he has done what he can to try to alleviate the situation by asking for any information of wastage to be relayed to him so that he can try to make changes. 

We all need to be diligent when out in  the woods.  If you see something that doesn't look right, take a picture, jot down some notes and turn it over to the proper authorities instead of ranting and raving.  If they say they can't do anything about it tell them you still want to file a report, get it on paper, establish a pattern.

 

But I say Rant all you want, just back it up.  The more who the know the better.  The lack of education in matters like this are their main downfall.  No better example than this very thread.

[biggbuck]

So coach was your source with them when they harvested this bull?  I highly doubt it this bull was shot about 10 miles west of whit Swan in the closed area of the reservation. I agree with you on a certain few yakamas out shooting every damn animal with horns. I've been saying it for years something needs to be done to stop that from happening. I just don't agree with people talking smack about a tribal member that I know personally and is not one of those unethical hunters. I've put in alot of time hunting with this guy and I congratulate him on his awesome kill. We seen a bull that was quite a bit bigger then the bull in this post but he was able to sneak away from us. Once again know the story before you start bashing someone. I'm 100% positive non of you know the story about this awesome bull.