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"I don't come up with solutions" she says....
Humptulips:
You guys are trying to reinvent the wheel.
http://huntersheritagecouncil.org/
All you have to do is get your organization to join.
huntnphool:
--- Quote from: Special T on June 01, 2015, 11:54:50 AM ---Im gona go out on a limb and make a few assumptions.
What I hear Muledeer saying is he/we need to make the best of the hand we are delt. That said SPORTSMEN need to organsize and make sure these anti hunting groups are not at the table, and if they are they should be a small minority. The Only way for this to happen is for US to do something about it.
Ive talked a little about this before but it needs repeating. Fishery Orgs have made some headway because they have organised. Coastal Conservation Associaiton http://www.joincca.org/about Is one of those Orgs that has done a bunch of banding different Nonprofits together for the benifit of all. While I dont necessarily think Wa has to have its onwn non profit to organise on this issue HOW CCA goes about bringing groups together is important to understand and duplicate. ( I am not a member nor do i fish). Fishing has done a better job of showing its economic benifit, and getting groups like Trout unlimited Federation of Fly Fishers and others to come together as one voice so that Gov can see the ammount of agreement across the board all the Orgs have. As sportsmen we can have the discussions and arguments about the kind of style of hunting we enjoy, but we have focused too much on the differnces that divide Rifle, Muzzy& Archery methods instead of the MAIN points that bind us together. Local stake holders need to band together and hash out points of agreement THEN take them to the state. One of the complaints the WDFW has said in the past is "why should we do X Y or Z when the sportsmen aren't even on the same page?"
I dont like HSUS DoW, or CNW. They dont represent me, my views, or act in sportmens best intrest like so many other HUNTING orgs. Traditional Bowhunters of Washington, Washington State Achery Associaiton or Washington state Bowhunters Do a much better job of representing ME an archery hunter even if I dont suscribe to all of thier points of emphesis. These 3 Groups have meet together to meet the state with a unified message on several archery related topics including crossbows. This Organisation of Organisations needs expanding to include groups like Washington Muzzlelaoders Assocation, Washingotn state Rifle and Pistol assocation and Others who a vested interest in our hunting heritage.
If you belong to a sportsmens Org make it KNOWN that you think your Org should be Ralleying with others who generally agree on issues. As a Archer I KNOW I agree more with Rifle hunters on certain issues much more than I do with HSUS or DoW!
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I agree with a lot of this T, but not completely in regards to the archery orgs you mentioned. Yes they get a voice in a lot of the GMAC meetings and bend the ear of WDFW, but a couple of them do not speak for the majority of archery hunters. That's a discussion we can have later so as to not get off topic though.
Bottom line, we need to organize a group that can participate in these meetings with WDFW, one that will actually speak for the group as whole, after getting a majority consensus from participating hunters, not just the opinion of those that will be appointed to represent them. :twocents:
Special T:
--- Quote from: huntnphool on June 01, 2015, 10:46:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Special T on June 01, 2015, 11:54:50 AM ---Im gona go out on a limb and make a few assumptions.
What I hear Muledeer saying is he/we need to make the best of the hand we are delt. That said SPORTSMEN need to organsize and make sure these anti hunting groups are not at the table, and if they are they should be a small minority. The Only way for this to happen is for US to do something about it.
Ive talked a little about this before but it needs repeating. Fishery Orgs have made some headway because they have organised. Coastal Conservation Associaiton http://www.joincca.org/about Is one of those Orgs that has done a bunch of banding different Nonprofits together for the benifit of all. While I dont necessarily think Wa has to have its onwn non profit to organise on this issue HOW CCA goes about bringing groups together is important to understand and duplicate. ( I am not a member nor do i fish). Fishing has done a better job of showing its economic benifit, and getting groups like Trout unlimited Federation of Fly Fishers and others to come together as one voice so that Gov can see the ammount of agreement across the board all the Orgs have. As sportsmen we can have the discussions and arguments about the kind of style of hunting we enjoy, but we have focused too much on the differnces that divide Rifle, Muzzy& Archery methods instead of the MAIN points that bind us together. Local stake holders need to band together and hash out points of agreement THEN take them to the state. One of the complaints the WDFW has said in the past is "why should we do X Y or Z when the sportsmen aren't even on the same page?"
I dont like HSUS DoW, or CNW. They dont represent me, my views, or act in sportmens best intrest like so many other HUNTING orgs. Traditional Bowhunters of Washington, Washington State Achery Associaiton or Washington state Bowhunters Do a much better job of representing ME an archery hunter even if I dont suscribe to all of thier points of emphesis. These 3 Groups have meet together to meet the state with a unified message on several archery related topics including crossbows. This Organisation of Organisations needs expanding to include groups like Washington Muzzlelaoders Assocation, Washingotn state Rifle and Pistol assocation and Others who a vested interest in our hunting heritage.
If you belong to a sportsmens Org make it KNOWN that you think your Org should be Ralleying with others who generally agree on issues. As a Archer I KNOW I agree more with Rifle hunters on certain issues much more than I do with HSUS or DoW!
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I agree with a lot of this T, but not completely in regards to the archery orgs you mentioned. Yes they get a voice in a lot of the GMAC meetings and bend the ear of WDFW, but a couple of them do not speak for the majority of archery hunters. That's a discussion we can have later so as to not get off topic though.
Bottom line, we need to organize a group that can participate in these meetings with WDFW, one that will actually speak for the group as whole, after getting a majority consensus from participating hunters, not just the opinion of those that will be appointed to represent them. :twocents:
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You bring up a great point. There are 3 different Archery Orgs because each has its own emphasis. Despite their differences they have come together on points of mutual interest to bend the states ear. We get plenty of which is better Ford Vs Chevy on here and it makes for interesting discussion, however it does not focus on our common needs or goals.
Special T:
--- Quote from: Humptulips on June 01, 2015, 10:38:59 PM ---You guys are trying to reinvent the wheel.
http://huntersheritagecouncil.org/
All you have to do is get your organization to join.
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Interesting, had never heard of them before.
One of the problems We sportsmen have is that we are sooo strong willed the solution has to be our way or no way. Perhaps this Org can, has done some outreach in the that could help facilitate us organizing.
jasnt:
--- Quote from: Humptulips on June 01, 2015, 10:38:59 PM ---You guys are trying to reinvent the wheel.
http://huntersheritagecouncil.org/
All you have to do is get your organization to join.
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thanks for the link. I had not heard of them either
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