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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2017, 12:59:08 PM »
No grand (yet)😉. I hope to one day with one of my PPs.
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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2017, 01:19:37 PM »
No grand (yet)😉. I hope to one day with one of my PPs.
That'd be pretty sweet! Wished they have one on this side of the rockies.

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2017, 01:33:00 PM »
No grand (yet)😉. I hope to one day with one of my PPs.
That'd be pretty sweet! Wished they have one on this side of the rockies.

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Ya that would be nice... it's like our invitational they have on the other side of the country...
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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2017, 11:10:57 PM »
I was never implying that my dog could do retrieving test better than a lab. I don't train for that level of retrieving with pointers. What I was saying is that they have the basic ability to do what labs do if trained accordingly equally as well. I like to see the independence in a pointer verses the control of retrievers. A perfect day for me is hunting all day and saying very few commands during that time. I don't get off on giving direction and hand signals all the way to a blind retrieve anymore. I prefer to give the command and let the dog do there thing. If they get off line I don't care. As long as they have the drive to stay out there until finding the bird or I call them back. Nothing short of that.
I will side with the camp that the average area I duck hunt in doesn't allow me to give hand signals beyond 50 yards or less simply because I can't see them or the bird. Maybe the next guy hunts in something different and a different approach is better. To each there own. I am very convinced that if you take a PP from day one and train them like a lab they would do equally as well as any lab would do. I don't know of anyone that does that though. There has been some pretty successful PP's in the retrieving realm but its usually as an after thought to traditional pointing training.
I mean that all depends on your standards in the retriever world. MH is gonna look down its nose at HRCH while HRCH is gonna look down at a MH and a FC/AFC is gonna look down on both. Anybody know if a PP has entered a UKC Grand?

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I don't think anyone is looking down on it Colin. They are all different. Each their own thing and I'm happy to see anyone doing stuff that involves them with working their dog. Chose what you like and do what you find fun. I look down on people who look down on what other folks chose to do. I'm happy when I see people having a good time doing what they enjoy and have fun with their dogs. That's cool.
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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2017, 06:33:41 AM »
Honestly I hunt fields 95% of the time. So I always see the falls and I usually send my dog on the long blind first. I only got my floaters wet twice this past season and both times there was not tall cover surrounding so I just don't encounter those situations.

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Right on. If you're interested, feel free to invite yourself a long on an upland hunt this year too..it doesn't just have to be a training/test GTG.

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2017, 06:16:57 PM »
I see that this is a slightly old thread, but I'm interested in getting a pudelpointer as well. I had a wire-haired pointing griffon and he's been gone for a little over a year now. The family and I are ready for a new dog, plus one of my boys is getting into hunting. I've located a few breeders in Oregon, but are there any in Washington? My WPG was a pretty laid back guy, so would you all consider the PP to be some what laid back and not super high strung?

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2017, 01:45:06 PM »
Oh common Richard... You wouldn't even take on my old fat brood bitch xhesapeake on a timed upland bird finding bet  :)

Well, if that is the test, I would put up my Weim.  I would even give you great odds! 

I love these conversations, because it gets soon-to-be dog owners thinking about their purchase, rather than just going out and impulse buying a dog that will be in your life for 10-15 years.  That is a big commitment.  When you put it into that perspective, the initial cost of the dog is low compared to what you will spend on food, etc.  I always advise people to buy a dog that will fit into their living situation and ability to care for it, not for the type of hunting dog they may want.  Buy from a reputable breeder.  That extra dollar amount up front is typically worth it.  I wish people were able to be completely impartial when giving experience on dog breeds, but that rarely happens.  Everyone usually exaggerates the good qualities, and downplays the poor ones.  dbh411 and the OP - I would love to hear what you end up with.
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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2017, 03:34:18 PM »
I'm a former lab guy myself and will probably never have another hunting dog besides a pudelpointer for a lot of the same reasons Fishmaker said. They are fun to watch hunt and a joy to be around. I like labs also but seeing a dog slam on point with style isn't there with a lab. Sorry if I offended any of you pointing lab guys:)
Fishmaker-you wouldn't be giving  one of your pups away to a retiring game warden would you? If so, I know him and look forward to seeing your pup.

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2017, 07:25:34 PM »
Fishmaker did you test your dog in NAVHDA?
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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2017, 10:20:35 PM »
Was there a pointing lab comment on here? I mean, labs only point when they are scared of the birds. lol
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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2017, 10:34:24 PM »
Reality of the whole my breed, your breed thing is that a dog is only as good as the exposure and quality of training it has received. And the owners who feel their dog is the best in the world only know what they have seen and had for exposure to trained dogs. Pointer, retriever, pointing retriever, hairy or smooth....they're only as good as their genes and training allow.

And, as I teased Richard before in this thread about trying to get him and other pointer guys at a pointer field trial to battle it out with my old Chesapeake bitch in the pointer bird field, it was my front yard at the time which was also used as the pointer HT and trial bird field. My bitch got to clean up hundreds if not thousands of left over birds after every pointer HT and trial. No way, no how anyone walking on the property with a dog could find more than her. Not a chance in hell. It was her yard and she knew where the birds went. They don't forget.

That brings me to my comment to bring experience into the discussion. My old bitch couldn't be beat in her front yard by any pointer anywhere in the world. It was her front yard, she knew where to find the birds and how to find them fast. This is the same with any dog who is experienced wherever that experience might be. It could be that guide you paid in NoDak with a shorthair on grouse. The dog does it every day in the same places. Birds are found in the same places on the same property no matter if they are wild or pen raised.

The guys who go boasting they train on the same "wild" ground day in day out blah blah blah... when you go hunt in SoDak and Nodak(or the guys that train there) the wild birds get found in the same spots day in day out because like fishing, there are fishy spots, birdy spots ect. Birds have habits, birds are in certain places they like, dogs and humans alike learn to find those spots pretty quick. Dog learns how to work birds fast. That's the easiest part in the entire world of dog training. *censored*, if the dog likes a feather you can teach it to work a bird.

If you're pheasant hunting, do you hunt the disced corn or, hunt the plot of millet with a rim of wind break trees with tumbleweeds all piled up against it? Dogs with half an acorn of a brain figure that out.

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2017, 01:09:33 PM »
What kennel are the parents from?
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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #62 on: September 21, 2017, 01:11:38 PM »
Regarding Happy's months old comment. There are about five big name pointing breeds that are probably just that for a reason. They are genetically diverse breeds and they have been proven over and over and over and over.

Labs are a different but similar story. There is literally a flavor of lab for everyone and the breed is tried and true.

The lesser known versatiles have smaller genetic pools to pull from and they will almost always be more expensive than a well bred Pointer or shorthair.

Buy what you want (I have looked at pudelpointers as well and have watched them run, I liked what I saw) but go into it with your eyes wide open to the fact that the big names are big for a reason and the lesser known ones are more of a gamble. As their numbers grow that will change.

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #63 on: September 25, 2017, 09:04:08 AM »
That's interesting because after a week hunting in SD and ND when I returned the dog always ran to where the birds were
 She taught me a lot just watching her

As mentioned the secret is a lot of wild birds when they are young and good breeding and just finish up the dog

Reality of the whole my breed, your breed thing is that a dog is only as good as the exposure and quality of training it has received. And the owners who feel their dog is the best in the world only know what they have seen and had for exposure to trained dogs. Pointer, retriever, pointing retriever, hairy or smooth....they're only as good as their genes and training allow.

And, as I teased Richard before in this thread about trying to get him and other pointer guys at a pointer field trial to battle it out with my old Chesapeake bitch in the pointer bird field, it was my front yard at the time which was also used as the pointer HT and trial bird field. My bitch got to clean up hundreds if not thousands of left over birds after every pointer HT and trial. No way, no how anyone walking on the property with a dog could find more than her. Not a chance in hell. It was her yard and she knew where the birds went. They don't forget.

That brings me to my comment to bring experience into the discussion. My old bitch couldn't be beat in her front yard by any pointer anywhere in the world. It was her front yard, she knew where to find the birds and how to find them fast. This is the same with any dog who is experienced wherever that experience might be. It could be that guide you paid in NoDak with a shorthair on grouse. The dog does it every day in the same places. Birds are found in the same places on the same property no matter if they are wild or pen raised.

The guys who go boasting they train on the same "wild" ground day in day out blah blah blah... when you go hunt in SoDak and Nodak(or the guys that train there) the wild birds get found in the same spots day in day out because like fishing, there are fishy spots, birdy spots ect. Birds have habits, birds are in certain places they like, dogs and humans alike learn to find those spots pretty quick. Dog learns how to work birds fast. That's the easiest part in the entire world of dog training. *censored*, if the dog likes a feather you can teach it to work a bird.

If you're pheasant hunting, do you hunt the disced corn or, hunt the plot of millet with a rim of wind break trees with tumbleweeds all piled up against it? Dogs with half an acorn of a brain figure that out.

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #64 on: September 25, 2017, 09:27:52 AM »
I agree with most/some of this, but it needs to be said that when hunting intelligent and pressured birds, they end up going to areas that aren't part of the "usual" places.  I want a dog that will cover all the ground that might hold birds.  Part of the joy of watching a good finished pointer, is that they understand the speed at which they need to hunt different types of terrain.  They range wide and fast in the cut wheat and to check out small clumps of grass.  They slow down and hunt closer in heavy cover.  They hit the downwind edges quickly and then move in when on scent.  That means I can take that dog anywhere in the world, and get birds. 

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2017, 07:22:50 AM »
Hello all,

I lost my lab about a year and a half ago and I retired from work a few months ago.  I am ready to get another dog and look forward to training it myself, as I will have the time.  I have been looking at Pudelpointers and have done a fair amount of research.  I began looking at the breed because my wife is begging me to consider a dog that does not shed this time around.  I told her I would consider it, although we love the personality of labs.  From what I read, Pudelpointers can be just as goofy and lovable as the Labrador Retriever.  I live in the Idaho Panhandle.  We can experience very cold temperatures in the later part of the waterfowl season.  At this time I do not upland hunt, but I have the opportunity to do it and with more post-retirement free time, may do it. 

I understand that one of the foremost Pudelpointer breeders is down in the Boise area.

Can you confirm that Pudelpointer is a non-shedding breed or a lighter shedding breed than the lab?  Of course my selection of breed on the next dog will be based on much more than this parameter, but this one would make the wife happy, so there's that too.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2017, 01:40:38 PM »
My wife sheds more than my dog and she complains about the same thing sometimes. Every Pudelpointer I've had the pleasure to be around is pretty cool a true versatile breed, just get a good vacuum and hope for the best. :tung:
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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2017, 08:46:34 PM »
We have an 8 month old Pudelpointer we got from Tall Timber out of Oregon.  He was great until he hit 7 months and then he got fired up.  We are hoping neutering calms him a bit.  He is 8 months now.  We also need to be more consistent with out training..... 

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2017, 09:20:45 PM »
We also need to be more consistent with out training.....

If you were more consistent, that would put you at odds with most Tall Timber PP owners.

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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #69 on: October 25, 2017, 06:01:22 PM »
Hayden:
PPs will drop hair but not anywhere near what a lab does. The thing with PPs is that they have hair and not fur so they don't produce the allergens that other dogs do.
As for waterfowl hunting, PPs are excellent waterfowl dogs. They are very hearty in the cold weather, I hunt mine when he is breaking ice on retrieves and he sits like a statue watching for birds. Bob farris with Cedarwoods is a top notch breeder. I know Bob well and he knows how to pair the right breeding with the right person.
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Re: Any Pudelpointer owners?
« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2017, 06:36:18 AM »
Hayden:
PPs will drop hair but not anywhere near what a lab does. The thing with PPs is that they have hair and not fur so they don't produce the allergens that other dogs do.
As for waterfowl hunting, PPs are excellent waterfowl dogs. They are very hearty in the cold weather, I hunt mine when he is breaking ice on retrieves and he sits like a statue watching for birds. Bob farris with Cedarwoods is a top notch breeder. I know Bob well and he knows how to pair the right breeding with the right person.
Thank you for your reply and the info about the shedding.  I have heard of Bob Farris and would be leaning that way if I went the PP route. 

 

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