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Members are complaining about the off-topics board, how should it be changed?

Keep off-topics the way it is, members can freely opt in and opt out
168 (58.9%)
Keep off-topics the way it is but make all members opt in again
11 (3.9%)
Make off topics by request and approval only, you would have to request membership
13 (4.6%)
Remove off-topics from the forum completely
37 (13%)
I really don't care what happens with off-topics
31 (10.9%)
Off Topics has the same rules as the rest of the forum
25 (8.8%)

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Finally, if some people feel that the site has changed too much for their liking I would suggest that they become part of the solution. Rather than complaining about a thing and demanding someone else fix it, become part of the solution. Become more active outside of the OT area. Start more threads about the activities you love. Make positive comments on other peoples threads. If a troll bothers you then put them on the ignore list.

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So my question is if there's no off topics section ,is mods just gonna delete any topic they feel is off topic from hunting. :dunno:

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Is it not already that way? It used to be, if it changed I am unaware of it.

I could be wrong. Thought you had to opt-out. If it's already that way, I don't see a big problem.

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In all honesty if you wanted to clean up off topics all you have to do is get rid of 5 or 6 people and the post count in off topics would be almost non existent. There are a half a dozen people that are not on this site for anything but the off topics section and contribute little to nothing to the rest of the site.

Not to name names but if you eliminated a "Bigfish Floundering in a Roundheaded pool of Phills" you would see a drastic difference on the site overall.  :twocents:
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I voted to just leave it be.
First, the reason I believe it is good to have OTs as a part of the forum is that those who choose to can talk about current events and politics with other people from our state who at least share one common love. The love of the outdoors, hunting and fishing.
It gets heated sometimes and that is natural. As adults we should be able to handle that. I've had my hackles raised a few times in there, but that happens with the free exchange of opinions and ideas. I would prefer to deal with a little bit of frustration than to live in a safe space bubble.
Second, there are easy to use options on this site available to those who do not wish to discuss current events and politics here. Opting out and ignoring the OT board is a very simple process. Ignoring individual threads and even individual members is also a very easy thing to do. Honestly though, I have only ever put one member on my ignore list and that was not even prompted by an OT thread. He was just an obvious troll and I refuse to feed trolls.
Finally, if some people feel that the site has changed too much for their liking I would suggest that they become part of the solution. Rather than complaining about a thing and demanding someone else fix it, become part of the solution. Become more active outside of the OT area. Start more threads about the activities you love. Make positive comments on other peoples threads. If a troll bothers you then put them on the ignore list.
Hope you all have a great day.

Thanks for trying to offer solutions!  :tup: :tup: :tup:
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I've had some pm's from members with good input, if you have some constructive thoughts but don't want to post them openly in this topic, please send them to me via pm. THANKS
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I think it should stay the way it is ,that's how I voted.
I see off topics as away to get rid of some topics from virtual campfire .There is a lot of off topics in virtual campfire,i think what's in off topics will spill into virtual campfire,then members will be on mods all the time to delete topics ,that are off topics from hunting.

Anyway just keep the way it is,might be more trouble,to try and fix it,or change it.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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If your gonna delete topics for being off topic , that rule would have to apply for everybody ,not just a few people from the off topics section.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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The problem I see is that someone starts a subject not in the OT section then someone else post/trolls and it ends up in the OT. When this happens then it seems that the OP was punished and the subject was moved to appease the trolls. If the OP is not opted in OT then their thread just got hijacked from them.

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If your gonna delete topics for being off topic , that rule would have to apply for everybody ,not just a few people from the off topics section.

Some people tend to be more outspoken and confrontational than others. It's not the mods as much as it's the poster.
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The problem I see is that someone starts a subject not in the OT section then someone else post/trolls and it ends up in the OT. When this happens then it seems that the OP was punished and the subject was moved to appease the trolls. If the OP is not opted in OT then their thread just got hijacked from them.

I touched on this earlier where the thread should be moderated and cleaned up, not moved.  :tup:
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If the topic is not outdoor related it really should go in OT.  It seems that a lot of people think OT is just for confrontation and political discussion.  But if you look at the topic description for VC it says: OUTDOOR RELATED TOPICS only! .... Join OFF-TOPICS to talk Politics, News, Religion, Rants, etc.

Seems to me that more topics could go in OT if it was supposed to be moderated like the other forums.  I liked the idea of less moderation in the beginning but people have proven to need moderating. There are some childish people that need help.
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If your gonna delete topics for being off topic , that rule would have to apply for everybody ,not just a few people from the off topics section.

Some people tend to be more outspoken and confrontational than others. It's not the mods as much as it's the poster.
So should there be more rules for people that are more outspoken and confrontational, or what do you mean by this comment.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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The problem I see is that someone starts a subject not in the OT section then someone else post/trolls and it ends up in the OT. When this happens then it seems that the OP was punished and the subject was moved to appease the trolls. If the OP is not opted in OT then their thread just got hijacked from them.

I touched on this earlier where the thread should be moderated and cleaned up, not moved.  :tup:

If it not a hunting/outdoors/general theme of the huntwa forum related thread, it gets moved to the OT.

For example, don't start a thread about Donald Trump in the Virtual Campfire board just because you don't want to opt into the OT. If you want Trump talk, it's in the OT.

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If your gonna delete topics for being off topic , that rule would have to apply for everybody ,not just a few people from the off topics section.

Some people tend to be more outspoken and confrontational than others. It's not the mods as much as it's the poster.
So should there be more rules for people that are more outspoken and confrontational, or what do you mean by this comment.

Same rules apply to everyone. The ones that are more outspoken, tend to push the boundaries, test us, stir the pot, etc will see the rules inflicted upon them more often. Probably goes without saying.
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If your gonna delete topics for being off topic , that rule would have to apply for everybody ,not just a few people from the off topics section.

Some people tend to be more outspoken and confrontational than others. It's not the mods as much as it's the poster.
So should there be more rules for people that are more outspoken and confrontational, or what do you mean by this comment.

Same rules apply to everyone. The ones that are more outspoken, tend to push the boundaries, test us, stir the pot, etc will see the rules inflicted upon them more often. Probably goes without saying.
Well said,and very true.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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The problem I see is that someone starts a subject not in the OT section then someone else post/trolls and it ends up in the OT. When this happens then it seems that the OP was punished and the subject was moved to appease the trolls. If the OP is not opted in OT then their thread just got hijacked from them.

I touched on this earlier where the thread should be moderated and cleaned up, not moved.  :tup:

If it not a hunting/outdoors/general theme of the huntwa forum related thread, it gets moved to the OT.

For example, don't start a thread about Donald Trump in the Virtual Campfire board just because you don't want to opt into the OT. If you want Trump talk, it's in the OT.


So why don't the mods move the other ten topics in virtual camp that are off topic right now?
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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The problem I see is that someone starts a subject not in the OT section then someone else post/trolls and it ends up in the OT. When this happens then it seems that the OP was punished and the subject was moved to appease the trolls. If the OP is not opted in OT then their thread just got hijacked from them.

I touched on this earlier where the thread should be moderated and cleaned up, not moved.  :tup:

If it not a hunting/outdoors/general theme of the huntwa forum related thread, it gets moved to the OT.

For example, don't start a thread about Donald Trump in the Virtual Campfire board just because you don't want to opt into the OT. If you want Trump talk, it's in the OT.


So why don't the mods move the other ten topics in virtual camp that are off topic right now?

Here's the description of what belongs in the OT board. It's posted right at the top of the board.

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Politics, News, Rants, etc. Open discussion, minimal moderation, parental discretion advised!

If there's a thread fits those parameters, it goes. If it doesn't, it can stay. If you see something that you feel fits those parameters, let us know and we'll move it. We don't see everything.
 
Not sure what exactly you're talking about, but if you mean maybe the sports topics or something like that, they can stay as long as they stay on track. The threads that tend to cause drama, friction, etc. are the ones that end up getting moved.
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Ok got it.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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The problem I see is that someone starts a subject not in the OT section then someone else post/trolls and it ends up in the OT. When this happens then it seems that the OP was punished and the subject was moved to appease the trolls. If the OP is not opted in OT then their thread just got hijacked from them.

I touched on this earlier where the thread should be moderated and cleaned up, not moved.  :tup:

If it not a hunting/outdoors/general theme of the huntwa forum related thread, it gets moved to the OT.

For example, don't start a thread about Donald Trump in the Virtual Campfire board just because you don't want to opt into the OT. If you want Trump talk, it's in the OT.


So why don't the mods move the other ten topics in virtual camp that are off topic right now?

Here's the description of what belongs in the OT board. It's posted right at the top of the board.

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Politics, News, Rants, etc. Open discussion, minimal moderation, parental discretion advised!

If there's a thread fits those parameters, it goes. If it doesn't, it can stay. If you see something that you feel fits those parameters, let us know and we'll move it. We don't see everything.
 
Not sure what exactly you're talking about, but if you mean maybe the sports topics or something like that, they can stay as long as they stay on track. The threads that tend to cause drama, friction, etc. are the ones that end up getting moved.

Well it looks like virtual camp is for outdoor related topics,so I guess I was a little confused.sorry. :tup:
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Sometimes I think walking in Dale's shoes would be a hoot.



Then I think that he has to take part of his day to address crap like this and I don't want his shoes near me  :chuckle:



I voted I didn't care.  I say opt in or opt out but quit yer belly achin.  :tup:
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If your gonna delete topics for being off topic , that rule would have to apply for everybody ,not just a few people from the off topics section.

Some people tend to be more outspoken and confrontational than others. It's not the mods as much as it's the poster.
So should there be more rules for people that are more outspoken and confrontational, or what do you mean by this comment.

What I mean is that some people get more attention from the mods because they attract it. The rules apply to everyone and for the most part, they are applied equally. But those who attract fire often feel like they're being picked on.
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I voted to keep it the way it is.
I will leave it at that.
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All are valid points but I pose one question;  What is the name of this forum?  Yes "Hunt" not Snopes, CNN, or Fox.  Start or go to another forum for that stuff.  What made this a great site isn't off topics.  I enjoy off topics often and good can be had there but why should it?  Its a cancer and just causes division, angst and sore ego's imop.  It needs chemo and eradicated.  This would be a better brotherhood of like minded outdoorsman not being divided over petty opinions.  We all have more in common than not and should remain focused on the positives of this great forum.  There is other places for politics and arguments people can visit.  I know it was created to help mods not babysit and let people vent but it at least needs more separation, like no connection to main site.  Back to virtual campfire and if it goes south just delete entire thread, that's my solution.
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