Lurkers.....Esteemed members

[Fl0und3rz]

How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native?  Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.

I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.

[Odell]

For me it's the nit picking and judgement of the post's. like not wearing orange in the trophy pic or the pointing out of every detail that could be or has the possibility of being unsafe or maybe could be illegal not that it is but it could be if you look at it a certain way.There also seems to be a clique that can get away with saying things that others can not.I love this place but i don't post much because of this.

X2 on the nit picking.

I shot a nice (for me) decent 4X4 muley this last year.    Nothing for the record books, but I was very happy with it.   Kind of an average 4X4 in all aspects.     I actually thought twice about posting it, just because of nit pickers and nay sayers.    I ended up posting it, but I can understand why people don't.

A couple recent examples:
*  Bearpaw posted the 40' buck........   unreal pig of a buck.    It didn't take long for someone to suggest that a fence was involved.    By all indications, that was a free roaming deer.     Why take a cheap shot at someone like that, just because they're fortunate enough to hunt deer in Mexico?
*  That huge (Nevada?) governor's tag buck still in velvet.    Another buck of a lifetime.    And yet, it didn't take long for someone to say the hunter sure has long arms.    Again, why the need for cheap shots??

Can't there be simple decorum like don't take unwarranted cheap shots?

THANK YOU for all you do to make this forum great.    It's still the best hunting forum I've ever found.     

This is just how many people are these days due to the change in culture fueled by social media. There is no changing it, just ignore. People shouldn't stop posting because some other people are morons.


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[silverdalesauer]

For me, I found that I was spending far too much time on the forum and not enough time with my wife and kids. I love to hang out here on the forum in the fall and winter, when hunting seasons heat up, but I'm just spending more of my time offline to invest in my family. We've put a lot of hours into fishing, hiking, sports, band concerts, skeet shooting, travel, and getting invested in our local community and church from April through August.





I will be spending more time here when bird and big game seasons open up. Until then, I'm mostly a "lurker."




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[Mossbak]

Obviously I don't post much, for the most part a total lurker.  I love this site though and I'm on it almost daily checking out pics and reading stories.  For me between my kids sports and work, my time in the woods or on the water is limited so not a whole lot of game pics to post.  Hopefully this year I'll get a pic of my buddies big bull since he finally drew a Modern Bethell.

[Jolten]

Obviously I don't post much, for the most part a total lurker.  I love this site though and I'm on it almost daily checking out pics and reading stories.  For me between my kids sports and work, my time in the woods or on the water is limited so not a whole lot of game pics to post.  Hopefully this year I'll get a pic of my buddies big bull since he finally drew a Modern Bethell.

Awesome. There's some nice bulls up there.

[Tbar]

How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native?  Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.

I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.

With civility, even in disagreement. 

[Bob33]

How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native?  Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.

I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.

With civility, even in disagreement.

1. Don't stereotype.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
 

[Fl0und3rz]

How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native?  Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.

I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.

With civility, even in disagreement.

1. Don't stereotype.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
 

I get that.  That is generally applicable.  I am still not convinced it is possible on those topics without violating 0-3.  But for reasons why is for another thread (maybe).

[Bob33]

How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native?  Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.

I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.

With civility, even in disagreement.

1. Don't stereotype.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
 

I get that.  That is generally applicable.  I am still not convinced it is possible on those topics without violating 0-3.  But for reasons why is for another thread (maybe).

Opinions can get heated. I do know the moderators are not going to give much latitude on violators going forward.

[stickman999]

Ive lurked around this site for a few years now and I post when I feel I have something useful or exciting to share. But when somebody comes on here aking for information and I can help I do it through PM. I am on the site regularly because I enjoy most of the forums and pictures, especially the moose pics.

[bracer40]

Bone,
Thanks for posing the question. After reading all of the thread and thinking about this, several things come to mind.
First, I worked hard at teaching my kids when they were youngsters that if you didn't have something to say that was helpful, or said in a caring way, it was probably better left unsaid. I try to communicate the same way regardless of the medium.
I also realized I rarely post pics....heck, I rarely take em...I'm the same way on other social media as well. I guess I'm not the type to point attention to myself.

I belong to several forums and find it interesting how this one has some very loud and opinionated voices compared to the others. I agree with others that the growing frequency of nitpicking and chest thumping has become tiring...I recognize some of that behavior from when I was a child as the oldest of seven kids....we considered it sport to to tease, pick on and generally inflame our siblings until they reacted....i see a lot of the same behavior from guys posts here.  Isnt that what they call trolling?

I've tried disconnecting from Hunt WA several times over the past few years....but I keep coming back....WHY?

I love hunting, fishing and most things outdoors. I love the pics, the stories, the helping of new guys and gals. The classifieds, the jokes, even some of the good natured bantering....

I hope things improve.....I don't think that's within the control of the moderators. I f eel that's largely the responsibility of each and everyone who hits their post button.

[PlateauNDN]

How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native?  Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.

I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.

With civility, even in disagreement.

1. Don't stereotype.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
 

I get that.  That is generally applicable.  I am still not convinced it is possible on those topics without violating 0-3.  But for reasons why is for another thread (maybe).

Opinions can get heated. I do know the moderators are not going to give much latitude on violators going forward.

It's a long ways away in my opinion from getting to the point of civility. I knew 1 person that was always civil and did the things you mentioned in his approach to tribal members but he was one of those 1-in-a-million type people.

I can honestly say from my perspective just in the last year I only deleted my account twice. It wasn't because I had thin skin or couldn't handle it, it was because I got tired and still do get tired of being the 1 some point fingers at, or not doing enough to police my own, or just putting on a cover.

Hearing crap like that over and over gets old and when people lump us all together as "the Indians" did this, the 'Indians" did that, "the Indians" don't care etc. It gets frustrating having to repeat myself and defend myself.

Aside from that, the good on here has led me to meet many awesome people and it's sad that a few are ruining for the lot.

[Fl0und3rz]

I am glad you are still here, and I always appreciated your insight.  As a relative noob to WA hunting and tribal rights, I would always read what you had to say, and I hope that you'll be around for years to come.

[bracer40]

How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native?  Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.

I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.

With civility, even in disagreement.

1. Don't stereotype.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
 

I get that.  That is generally applicable.  I am still not convinced it is possible on those topics without violating 0-3.  But for reasons why is for another thread (maybe).

Opinions can get heated. I do know the moderators are not going to give much latitude on violators going forward.

It's a long ways away in my opinion from getting to the point of civility. I knew 1 person that was always civil and did the things you mentioned in his approach to tribal members but he was one of those 1-in-a-million type people.

I can honestly say from my perspective just in the last year I only deleted my account twice. It wasn't because I had thin skin or couldn't handle it, it was because I got tired and still do get tired of being the 1 some point fingers at, or not doing enough to police my own, or just putting on a cover.

Hearing crap like that over and over gets old and when people lump us all together as "the Indians" did this, the 'Indians" did that, "the Indians" don't care etc. It gets frustrating having to repeat myself and defend myself.

Aside from that, the good on here has led me to meet many awesome people and it's sad that a few are ruining for the lot.

Plat, I can't imagine how upset I might be if I were in your shoes. I get so tired of people (not all of them of course) lumping everyone into their own little box and blaming an entire group of people for the bad actions of a few.

[singleshot12]

How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native?  Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.

I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.

With civility, even in disagreement.

1. Don't stereotype.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
 

I get that.  That is generally applicable.  I am still not convinced it is possible on those topics without violating 0-3.  But for reasons why is for another thread (maybe).

Opinions can get heated. I do know the moderators are not going to give much latitude on violators going forward.

It's a long ways away in my opinion from getting to the point of civility. I knew 1 person that was always civil and did the things you mentioned in his approach to tribal members but he was one of those 1-in-a-million type people.

I can honestly say from my perspective just in the last year I only deleted my account twice. It wasn't because I had thin skin or couldn't handle it, it was because I got tired and still do get tired of being the 1 some point fingers at, or not doing enough to police my own, or just putting on a cover.

Hearing crap like that over and over gets old and when people lump us all together as "the Indians" did this, the 'Indians" did that, "the Indians" don't care etc. It gets frustrating having to repeat myself and defend myself.

Aside from that, the good on here has led me to meet many awesome people and it's sad that a few are ruining for the lot.

I think a lot of those problems would go away if both sides worked together more for "Equality". There shouldn't be a side, we should all be sovereign people and need to work together for the common goal. With the current division nothing will really get accomplished for long term conservation.
Wouldn't you agree Platndn if we all played by the same rules would help for that common goal?