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Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« on: September 16, 2017, 11:17:37 PM »
Thursday was an interesting day at trinity. Helicopters flying clients in for the high hunt all day. Anyone know who was flying them in? Very interesting. I heard the last flight around 2 pm. We're these clients waiting 24 hours befor hunting? Did they land in the wilderness? I had no service to call the local authorities to check it out. Didn't seem right to me. Did anyone else see this?
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2017, 03:24:58 AM »
Interesting.  Twenty years ago Hi Line flew a bunch of Boy Scouts into patented land up the Stehekin near Booker Mountain inside NCNP.  Everything was legal because of the private ownership of the land and the close relationship between the park and Hi Line was not affected.

Don't know if that is the case here, I'm trying to think of parcels where a helicopter could land which would make a good location.  Seem like there could be something over by Red Mountain between the Chiwawa and Phelps Creek and another site near Glacier Peak Mines. 

Have you spoken with the USFS?
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2017, 05:19:45 AM »
Just remember guys helps don't have to land to off load cargo, and people.  :twocents:
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2017, 05:32:05 AM »
Just remember guys helps don't have to land to off load cargo, and people.  :twocents:

Those actions are still prohibited in Wilderness areas

http://www.wilderness.net/nwps/documents/fs/fs_wilderness_regulations.pdf

http://tfmlearning.fly.faa.gov/Publications/atpubs/AIM/Chap7/aim0704.html (See 7-4-6)
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2017, 06:40:56 AM »
Isn't there private land locked away up there? As in old mining claims? I remember seeing private land on the map last year.
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2017, 06:55:29 AM »
How do you know they're flying hunters in and not doing something else?

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2017, 06:58:39 AM »
Didn't see the helicopter but I did have a f18 come through the area a few times. It was pretty cool. He was buzzing the tree tops and twisting and turning. It was like my own little air show.



Edit: not my own personal air show. There were 25 others in the same drainage watching it as well.  Busy high hunt for sure. Can't wait for mid week openers to come back. Saw way too many cat tracks.

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 01:13:22 PM »
Interesting.  Twenty years ago Hi Line flew a bunch of Boy Scouts into patented land up the Stehekin near Booker Mountain inside NCNP.  Everything was legal because of the private ownership of the land and the close relationship between the park and Hi Line was not affected.

Don't know if that is the case here, I'm trying to think of parcels where a helicopter could land which would make a good location.  Seem like there could be something over by Red Mountain between the Chiwawa and Phelps Creek and another site near Glacier Peak Mines. 

Have you spoken with the USFS?
maybe that's what was going on. I will call usfs on Monday
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2017, 01:46:41 PM »
kinda of takes the fun out of a high country hunt... 
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2017, 06:37:18 PM »
Interesting.  Twenty years ago Hi Line flew a bunch of Boy Scouts into patented land up the Stehekin near Booker Mountain inside NCNP.  Everything was legal because of the private ownership of the land and the close relationship between the park and Hi Line was not affected.

Don't know if that is the case here, I'm trying to think of parcels where a helicopter could land which would make a good location.  Seem like there could be something over by Red Mountain between the Chiwawa and Phelps Creek and another site near Glacier Peak Mines. 

Have you spoken with the USFS?
maybe that's what was going on. I will call usfs on Monday

I don't even think they can land on USFS land outside the Wilderness without an use permit, that's probably why they were flying out of Trinity.

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2017, 06:38:01 PM »
Isn't there private land locked away up there? As in old mining claims? I remember seeing private land on the map last year.

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2017, 07:11:35 PM »
Any lakes in the area?  Maybe they were pulling water for a fire.
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2017, 07:19:35 PM »
Any lakes in the area?  Maybe they were pulling water for a fire.
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2017, 08:43:24 AM »
There is no 24 hour rule in Washington...that's in Alaska...I know guys who used to use Cascade Helicopters out of Cashmere to fly into various places but I think there is no longer a Cascade Helicopter outfit. Anyway, I view it as no different than hiring a packer to take you in via horseback...

And our High Hunt spot was crazy with people this I as I am assuming it was from the fires taking away several other places to enter the normal haunts of the other hunters. We still saw some nice bucks and a bear...a great weekend, but dry, hot, and popular.

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2017, 08:48:52 AM »
There is no 24 hour rule in Washington...that's in Alaska...I know guys who used to use Cascade Helicopters out of Cashmere to fly into various places but I think there is no longer a Cascade Helicopter outfit. Anyway, I view it as no different than hiring a packer to take you in via horseback...

And our High Hunt spot was crazy with people this I as I am assuming it was from the fires taking away several other places to enter the normal haunts of the other hunters. We still saw some nice bucks and a bear...a great weekend, but dry, hot, and popular.

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It is absolutely illegal to hunt the same day you've flown, in Washington - pursuant to the WAC below.

4.   Using aircraft (WAC 220-413-070):
It is illegal to:
Use an aircraft to spot, locate, or report
the location of wildlife for the purpose
of hunting.
Hunt big game on the same day you
were airborne for any purpose, except
for a regularly scheduled commercial
flight.

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2017, 08:52:21 AM »
The lengths that some guys will go to in order to get an advantage, crazy.  I'll be interested in the outcome and what is found out on this.

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2017, 08:53:44 AM »
Same day isn't 24 hours...and a "regularly scheduled commercial flight" is open to interpretation. As if the helicopter company regularly flies into that landing zone each year for the high hunt it would be considered a "regularly scheduled flight"...either way, "same day" isn't 24 hours. If a person flew in and landed at 2 PM on Friday, Sept. 15th, they would be legal to hunt at legal shooting light on Sat. Sept. 16th...

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2017, 08:54:45 AM »
Absolutely, they can hunt the next day, just not the day they fly in.

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2017, 08:56:33 AM »
As for the regularly scheduled commercial flight - I'm not sure a helicopter into GPW fits the bill, but as you've indicated, it's up for interpretation.  :tup:
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2017, 12:37:46 PM »
As for the regularly scheduled commercial flight - I'm not sure a helicopter into GPW fits the bill, but as you've indicated, it's up for interpretation.  :tup:

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2017, 12:41:03 PM »
Id be more interested in getting a flight out of some of the hell holes I hike into and kill a deer.   to heck with the flight in, my pack is 100 lbs lighter going in. :chuckle: :dunno:

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2017, 12:42:34 PM »
Id be more interested in getting a flight out of some of the hell holes I hike into and kill a deer.   to heck with the flight in, my pack is 100 lbs lighter going in. :chuckle: :dunno:

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2017, 02:08:14 PM »
As for the regularly scheduled commercial flight - I'm not sure a helicopter into GPW fits the bill, but as you've indicated, it's up for interpretation.  :tup:

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If it was to a designated airstrip, such as the airstrips in the Frank Church, it would probably pass muster as a scheduled commercial flight.  I doubt landing in the bush would qualify.
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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2017, 02:10:51 PM »
I'd think Alaska "interpretation" would apply here.

But leave it to WACky Washington to leave an interpretation issue

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Re: Helicopter flying in clients for high hunt gpw
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2017, 02:15:21 PM »
I wanted to take a helicopter in but they told me I'd need to rent a SkyCrane. I have lost 30 lbs since.
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