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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2017, 06:21:00 PM »
Preserving a system that fosters misfires due to a poor ignition system is not really an integral part of primitive weapons IMO.
YES permit different primers that allow the primitive weapon to work as its designed. 

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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2017, 06:40:40 PM »
Definitely no and I do hunt the wet west side too.

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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2017, 06:42:35 PM »
“In common with”..... not so much!!

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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2017, 06:44:21 PM »
Not sure how a dual cam, carbon fiber bowtech fits the "primative" definitions either...  209 primers are safe, reliable and will help make cleaner kills... anything that can help drop an animal faster and more humanely I fully support.   

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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2017, 06:47:59 PM »
Not sure how a dual cam, carbon fiber bowtech fits the "primative" definitions either...  209 primers are safe, reliable and will help make cleaner kills... anything that can help drop an animal faster and more humanely I fully support.
:yeah:  you beat me to it.  Exactly what I wanted to say.
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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2017, 06:50:43 PM »
yes
what in the wild wild world of sports???

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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2017, 07:11:55 PM »
Definitely NO. You get better seasons than modern rifle because the odds are less that you will kill something while being provided a less crowded field at a better time. If you continue the process of improving the weapon then you deserve less time in the field and at a time when it is harder to hunt. For example the muzzie season for elk is right on the edge of the elk rut. Years ago they took this favorable time for hunting away from the bow hunters who obviously were using a weapon that provides much less of an opportunity for a kill than a muzzleloader. Suck it up and enjoy what you have already been given.

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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2017, 07:39:02 PM »
Just so you all know what I think I know - have shot several test range shoots, shooting Musket Caps, 11 caps, and 209's both the cooler ones and the Magnums across a chrono.  There is not a significant difference in velocity between any of them.

It does not increase accuracy of the rifle nor the range that each us can effectively shoot the rifle.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2017, 08:46:05 PM by Sabotloader »
Keep shooting muzzleloaders - They are a blast!!

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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2017, 07:46:06 PM »
I don't see how so many people think the way that the gun goes off attracts more people and ups your chances of harvest?
How many of the guys saying that hunt with a muzzleloader?

I have no problem with a more reliable ignition system, it does not help increase any range.

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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2017, 07:53:16 PM »
I voted yes, have shot both. No significant benefit between ignition systems as far as ballistics. Does the gun go off more frequently yes. So what you all are saying that having a gun that fails to fire or potentially misfires is a gun you prefer because it lowers the success ratio. It's muzzleloader season not a primitive weapons season, I can use a modern compound during that same season if I buy the tag. Next the limiting factor is actually range. I was around for this same discussion in Illinois when they first allowed muzzleloader use during shotgun season. It doubled the range but guess what success ratio were not increased much. I say keep it scope free and there is no difference. Why shouldn't people who bust their butt to get on animals enjoy success, it's not supposed to be a lottery when you pull the trigger, it should be the culmination of hard work and effort.

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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2017, 08:26:51 PM »
Yes on 209 primers

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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2017, 08:33:33 PM »
100% yes.
It's 2017. We are advancing and it gives options to hunters. We need not limit anything at this time.
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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2017, 08:38:23 PM »
Big no here. What would be primitive about it if you take away exposed to the elements. Might as well be able to use a crossbow during archery seasons.  :twocents:
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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2017, 08:41:25 PM »
No.
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Re: Should 209 primers be legal?
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2017, 08:48:16 PM »
Suck it up and enjoy what you have already been given.

That statement sums up what the anti-gun politicians have been telling us for years.   :tdown:
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