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Offline Stein

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2017, 09:15:05 AM »
I'm all for effective gun control, it just all depends on what a guy means by "gun control."  The biggest problem with our government right now is they like to argue, grandstand, cash K Street checks and do nothing other than what is required to get those checks.

One problem is the background check system.  Many things don't get in there, reference the recent shooting and Marysville if memory serves me correct.  How about we study what the problem is, fix the system and throw a few bucks to wherever it needs to go to hire people to get the information entered into a single system?  Virtually nobody would argue that enforcing those rules is important, would save lives, and jives with the 2nd.

Next, find the second topic we can get a majority to agree with and do that.  Maybe work on the problem of people watching these guys go batty but not knowing what they can or should do?

We don't do anything with the broken mental health system, not to mention helping veterans.  Likewise, we don't address or even discuss the potential role of certain medications and exposing youth to violence in movies, tv and video games.  Don't even mention the fact that the majority of gun violence is suicide.

What we do instead is focus on our differences and whether a vertical grip makes the gun more or less deadly and other topics that we know for 100% certainty would not have prevented the most recent tragedy - and people continue to die.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2017, 09:37:43 AM »
As a timely example, the recent California school shooter was not supposed to have firearms, because he was really bonkers with fits of rage, was just released on bail, and had a protection order against him, IIRC.

Neighbors complained about all the gunfire coming from his house, but it seems all the LEO did was do a Stormtrooper cursory thing - knock on door and when he refused to answer, they went away. 

His wife's body was found under the floorboards of the house, and others were also murdered, when all the blaring horns, bells, and whistle were going off about the guy, well in advance of the final act.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2017, 11:25:16 AM »
Totally overlooks the reason the Second Amendment was included in the Bill Of Rights in the first place.  :bdid:

When an author goes so far out of his way to only speak of the immediate problems (the wrong people using guns the wrong way), you can immediately write him off as PART of the problem. This kind of hypnotized, myopic, shallow thinking is why the country in sliding left all the time. Thoughtless. No depth or historical understanding whatsoever. Just let the Socialist Elite plan your daily life out for you from now on... sheeple.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2017, 08:38:28 PM »
Far too many like that guy are too willing to give in. I never support any gun control ever NONE!
Hunters are sometimes are own worst enemies. Lots of Repubs support gun control it's not just a democrap issue even some on here who supposedly support the second amendment support some laws of which is says shall not be infringed not compromised because of the times it's says shall not be infringed Period.  :twocents:
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2017, 09:12:58 PM »
Please no namecalling, you can have dissenting opinions and still follow the forum rules.

Is "troll" name calling? Legitimate question especially if a person is acting like a troll ( troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community )

Accusing the author of that article of being a "Knucklehead" BHA member would also insinuate that all BHA members are knuckleheads.... Which would be indirect name calling and trolling the people here who are BHA members. I'm not crying about it, just pointing out where the logic leads
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2017, 09:20:08 PM »
Now on topic, I do think hunters and gun owners do have an important role to play in gun control- because we all know there are huge flaws in the system that need to addressed. If we could shift the conversation from "new laws" to better enforcement of the NICS system, eliminating false positives, better reporting of disqualifying conditions and crimes, and better followup on rejected applicants, etc- we show we care and have something to contribute to the conversation, instead of being shutout because "we're all stubborn gun nuts" and then getting new laws shoved down our throats from people ignorant on the minutiae of gun laws and ownership
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2017, 09:25:05 PM »
Please no namecalling, you can have dissenting opinions and still follow the forum rules.

Is "troll" name calling? Legitimate question especially if a person is acting like a troll ( troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community )

Accusing the author of that article of being a "Knucklehead" BHA member would also insinuate that all BHA members are knuckleheads.... Which would be indirect name calling and trolling the people here who are BHA members. I'm not crying about it, just pointing out where the logic leads

I was addressing anyone who was calling others names. :tup:
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2017, 04:38:36 PM »

Accusing the author of that article of being a "Knucklehead" BHA member would also insinuate that all BHA members are knuckleheads.... Which would be indirect name calling and trolling the people here who are BHA members. I'm not crying about it, just pointing out where the logic leads

Like the knucklehead grossly mistaken (is that better???  :)  ;) ) author's position that hunters need to support gun control, your logic is flawed.  I made no such insinuation.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2017, 09:13:29 PM »
I tried really hard to read past the second paragraph but couldn't make it happen. I haven't read the previous comments either but I'm going to have to go with a loud and resounding NO! This guys is a sham pushing liberal agendas under the guise of a hunter.
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2017, 08:55:26 AM »
I would probably support some gun control.  We already have LOTS of it on the books, the obvious first step it to enforce the rules in place.  I don't mind that average citizens are not allowed to own missiles and bombs... I suppose rules against fully automatic weapons and high capacity magazines makes sense too. 

People like to use the argument that we need them to protect ourselves, usually against a tyrannical government.  Those same people are generally the first ones to support more military and law enforcement.  I'm not sure who they think it going to come take thier guns, but I bet it's not the boy scouts. 

The mass shootings are a problem.... there is generally a common thread with the demographic of the shooter too.  Flame away, masculine violence is an issue that needs dealt with.  DV charges tell you something about a guy....

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2017, 10:13:55 AM »
Ask your employers about how their ancestors felt about gun control and confiscation. And nope...rules against high capacity magazines do not make sense.

The reality is that a good AR platform with a few high capacity magazines is unquestionably one of the best - if not the best, tools for property and home defense. 
 
Enforce existing laws. End revolving door criminal incarceration. Get violent criminals off the street and permanently out of our social fabric. Murderers, rapists and child molesters should be immediately converted to worm food.  No more coddling.
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2017, 10:19:18 AM »
I agree with your last paragraph.

Unquestionably??  I think it can be questioned.  A shotgun that doesn't shoot bullets through the next door neighbors nursery might also be a good alternative. 

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2017, 10:32:15 AM »
To that I would simply urge you to take some advanced defensive firearm training from highly respected instructors and educate yourself on the topic.
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2017, 02:23:34 PM »
Actually we don't need gun control as guns are never the issue.  What we need is owner control.  The liberals don't seem to want to do that.  The one guy had a BCD from the service and for some reason that information wasn't passed over to the Feds. If it was he would have been disqualified on his NICS check.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2017, 12:24:21 AM »
The author brought up suicides and offered gun control as a solution, without acknowledging that the problem is people being suicidal.
When gun control is pushed, I don't usually hear ideas that would have stopped any of the shootings that started the topic. Radical ideas that could stop, or significantly reduce those shootings violate the rights of everyone else.

 

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