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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2017, 04:42:54 PM »
Not surprised. $200 is a steal for access to private land for the season.
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2017, 05:02:54 PM »
They own the land, but they do get huge tax breaks.  :twocents:

True, but the original purchase agreements also stated that Weyco would provide access to the public since the state was selling them public land for $1 per acre and giving them massive tax credits. Weyco managed the property for years on behalf of the state and got the majority of the timber proceeds for managing the state land. They then in turn took the profit, bought the property and agreed to huge tax breaks as part of always allowing public access. Im torn because there are things to like and hate about pay to play land, but I firmly believe that the state should not continue to honor the tax breaks.....and I'm a Weyco shareholder.
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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2017, 06:14:19 PM »
Is any private timberland subsidized by the government ? If is, then there should be a no charge, or very low admission onto said lands.
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2017, 06:16:46 PM »
I'll never understand why people complain about this.  It's private property. At least they give you the option to access it at all.  Am I missing something? Man...what would it be like if they didn't give access at all?
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« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2017, 06:18:18 PM »
Not surprised. $200 is a steal for access to private land for the season.
Yeah, I paid $350 for a Vail key.  This is my last year though due to the amount of *censored*es and poaching.
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« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2017, 06:36:41 PM »
If you want to get a cost example, here in Oklahoma, I pay $40 a year to access the Honobia Creek and Three Rivers WMAs. They are Wharehouser and Rayonier land.
The two units are about the size from the Columbia to the National Park boundary and from the coast to Hood canal.



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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2017, 07:02:18 PM »
I'm not a big fan of timber company charging access fees , But it is private property.But I think what it boils down to is at the end of the day people will access even if they do have to trespass , so why not just charge a access fee and make a little money anyway ,These timber company's know this and might as well make money,instead of loseing money trying to enforce keeping people out,I don't think they care much about hunting or access , But this is the problem they face in which we benefit through access.
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2017, 09:44:50 PM »
I guess everyone could just stop hunting timber lands an d let the elk become a nuisance. Or go hunt out after state and pay almost as much.

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2017, 09:37:21 AM »
I bought access in 2 states this year< and think it was well worth it.

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2017, 05:45:35 PM »
I don't see the issue. If you own your own land, you get to make the rules.  :dunno:

Well, not exactly true. It's debatable whether the fee is "small," but besides that, the only people that get access are those who are online with a high speed internet connection at the designated time, and are able to purchase a permit before they are all gone, which sometimes is only about 3 minutes.
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2017, 06:09:14 PM »
Not surprised. $200 is a steal for access to private land for the season.
Yeah, I paid $350 for a Vail key.  This is my last year though due to the amount of *censored*es and poaching.

Not such a steal when you want to hunt one unit for deer and another for elk. Hard enough for most to buy one permit let alone two and when they buy two permits, that just means there are less people hunting when there is a limit on the # of permits sold.  With less people hunting, it actually interfere's with WDF&G's management. Maybe someone bought a permit for an area they want to hunt muzzleloader early season in, and still have a tag but that unit isn't open for late season? They still have a license and tag, but are shut out of late season for lack of an access permit. 

Personally, I wouldn't mind the fee if I could hunt any Weyerhauser property with a permit. But being locked into one unit really isn't worth it from what I see.  I've bought the permit for two years, but next year I am saving the money and hunting out of state. That's two licenses and deer and elk tags (my son and I) Washington won't be selling next year, plus draw fees.
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« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2017, 07:09:47 PM »
Not surprised. $200 is a steal for access to private land for the season.
Yeah, I paid $350 for a Vail key.  This is my last year though due to the amount of *censored*es and poaching.

Not such a steal when you want to hunt one unit for deer and another for elk. Hard enough for most to buy one permit let alone two and when they buy two permits, that just means there are less people hunting when there is a limit on the # of permits sold.  With less people hunting, it actually interfere's with WDF&G's management. Maybe someone bought a permit for an area they want to hunt muzzleloader early season in, and still have a tag but that unit isn't open for late season? They still have a license and tag, but are shut out of late season for lack of an access permit. 

Personally, I wouldn't mind the fee if I could hunt any Weyerhauser property with a permit. But being locked into one unit really isn't worth it from what I see.  I've bought the permit for two years, but next year I am saving the money and hunting out of state. That's two licenses and deer and elk tags (my son and I) Washington won't be selling next year, plus draw fees.

 :yeah:  I came to the same conclusion, save the money and hunt in MT, ID or WY.  For what I pay, I can have much better opportunities.

For what it is worth, farmers have tax breaks on their land as well as churches and a host of others that don't allow free access for recreation.  I get why people are upset for having to pay not insignificant amounts for what used to be free, but it is what it is.

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2017, 07:10:35 PM »
Were it not for people going in and dumping appliances and roofing shingles, there probably wouldn't be any gates or fees.
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« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2017, 07:41:20 PM »
Thought I stumbled into a topic From 2014.   Are we still debating this issue?  Pay for access is a done deal and here to stay.  Either pay the fee or hunt public ground.  Either way get off the road and you’ll be fine.  ( except for wolves and hoof rot)  also it’s a timber tax deferral that is paid at the time for harvest, you pay minimal taxes for the years growing the timber then pay a sizable chunk upon harvest    :sry:

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« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2017, 07:54:39 PM »
i  still think its a bunch of *censored*  they own the trees not the land the land is own bye us the united states all tax payers pay for this now we all bitch know when they know they can get more cash out of us its kind of how the tribes feel im sure and know its hitting all us if we dont watch it it will be all  sold to china to pay the goverments det and so called private land owners cant pay the workers them enough  but give them keys to hunt so called private  land  when we got to walk threw the gates or ride  us the tax payers and yes there paying there *censored* too but come on make it all the same you hike in ten miles and it takes 20min or so to drive not stoping at all clear cuts in some spots lookig for some hoof disease elk that nobody can fix is *censored* we talk to some private land owner workers they said there not coming back to hunt im glad to here  that thay dont have  generation of all the hard hitting hunters that hunted in them woods lot of us do so f.... ill bye one permit and walk in from the top in to a walk in only thats been that way for a while and they cant find elk rd hunters but we all been paying lets fix the elk cancer and forget whos getting rich and fix the proublem ive heard wfg  screwed up again and destroyed 10 more or so percent of the elk in st helens  then they wanted its less then 70 precent know and was a good stack of elk im sure they will blame it on winter  kill and hoof disease maybe to much on my mind

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« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2017, 07:30:21 AM »
i  still think its a bunch of *censored*  they own the trees not the land the land is own bye us the united states all tax payers pay for this now we all bitch know when they know they can get more cash out of us its kind of how the tribes feel im sure and know its hitting all us if we dont watch it it will be all  sold to china to pay the goverments det and so called private land owners cant pay the workers them enough  but give them keys to hunt so called private  land  when we got to walk threw the gates or ride  us the tax payers and yes there paying there *censored* too but come on make it all the same you hike in ten miles and it takes 20min or so to drive not stoping at all clear cuts in some spots lookig for some hoof disease elk that nobody can fix is *censored* we talk to some private land owner workers they said there not coming back to hunt im glad to here  that thay dont have  generation of all the hard hitting hunters that hunted in them woods lot of us do so f.... ill bye one permit and walk in from the top in to a walk in only thats been that way for a while and they cant find elk rd hunters but we all been paying lets fix the elk cancer and forget whos getting rich and fix the proublem ive heard wfg  screwed up again and destroyed 10 more or so percent of the elk in st helens  then they wanted its less then 70 precent know and was a good stack of elk im sure they will blame it on winter  kill and hoof disease maybe to much on my mind



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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2017, 08:46:53 AM »
This is why we need to fight to keep all the public land we currently have out of private hands and acquire as much new public land as possible. Folks may disagree with how the forest service manages the land but hunting and fishing opportunities are free and endless and if the land were privately managed the focus would be about removing resources to make money. Hunting and fishing opportunities would be expensive or disappear altogether. If the national forest were transferred to the state they would not have enough money to manage it and they would slowly sell it off to the private sector. Sportsman need to do everything in their power to prevent this from happening.

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« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2017, 08:49:35 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2017, 08:50:23 AM »
This is why we need to fight to keep all the public land we currently have out of private hands and acquire as much new public land as possible. Folks may disagree with how the forest service manages the land but hunting and fishing opportunities are free and endless and if the land were privately managed the focus would be about removing resources to make money. Hunting and fishing opportunities would be expensive or disappear altogether. If the national forest were transferred to the state they would not have enough money to manage it and they would slowly sell it off to the private sector. Sportsman need to do everything in their power to prevent this from happening.


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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2017, 08:55:29 AM »
I'll never understand why people complain about this.  It's private property. At least they give you the option to access it at all.  Am I missing something? Man...what would it be like if they didn't give access at all?
It's private property.....
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« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2017, 09:49:42 AM »
To the OP, if you were looking at an area that was $200, you got a steal, cause I paid $250. :chuckle:  Buuutttt....You get 2 cords of firewood, gallons of berries, mushrooms, some good fishing spots (if you are in areas with river access), access to more privatized camping areas and the chance to see those guys from that show Ax Men.  :chuckle: Like everyone has said, they bought it, it's their's, nothing we can do about it but, either pay or hunt somewhere else. Sitka BT and some others made good points; it is frustrating that some "areas" are secluded to specific hunt times, so if you have said tag and you have to wait to hunt an open unit within the paid area, it can be frustrating; but once again, we look back at, it is our choice and job to pre plan. I am on year 2 buying into drive passes, and also believe that limit access provides advantages and disadvantages. Who's got a couple million $$ that would like to spread some holiday cheer for the Hunt WA group, and buy some private land.  We shall call it: Hunt-WA's No Tell'um Timber Land. I'll go to Home Depot and start cutting keys and get some slick hang tags with a logo and pictures that make us look legit. I know there's a few of you retired Amazon/Microsoft/Boeing millionaires on here, come on... don't hold out on us... like my wife does on me!              "Make Hunting In WA Great Again!" -Not that it's terrible or anything....
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2017, 09:54:07 AM »
i  still think its a bunch of *censored*  they own the trees not the land the land is own bye us the united states all tax payers pay for this now we all bitch know when they know they can get more cash out of us its kind of how the tribes feel im sure and know its hitting all us if we dont watch it it will be all  sold to china to pay the goverments det and so called private land owners cant pay the workers them enough  but give them keys to hunt so called private  land  when we got to walk threw the gates or ride  us the tax payers and yes there paying there *censored* too but come on make it all the same you hike in ten miles and it takes 20min or so to drive not stoping at all clear cuts in some spots lookig for some hoof disease elk that nobody can fix is *censored* we talk to some private land owner workers they said there not coming back to hunt im glad to here  that thay dont have  generation of all the hard hitting hunters that hunted in them woods lot of us do so f.... ill bye one permit and walk in from the top in to a walk in only thats been that way for a while and they cant find elk rd hunters but we all been paying lets fix the elk cancer and forget whos getting rich and fix the proublem ive heard wfg  screwed up again and destroyed 10 more or so percent of the elk in st helens  then they wanted its less then 70 precent know and was a good stack of elk im sure they will blame it on winter  kill and hoof disease maybe to much on my mind



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« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2017, 09:57:19 AM »
i  still think its a bunch of *censored*  they own the trees not the land the land is own bye us the united states all tax payers pay for this now we all bitch know when they know they can get more cash out of us its kind of how the tribes feel im sure and know its hitting all us if we dont watch it it will be all  sold to china to pay the goverments det and so called private land owners cant pay the workers them enough  but give them keys to hunt so called private  land  when we got to walk threw the gates or ride  us the tax payers and yes there paying there *censored* too but come on make it all the same you hike in ten miles and it takes 20min or so to drive not stoping at all clear cuts in some spots lookig for some hoof disease elk that nobody can fix is *censored* we talk to some private land owner workers they said there not coming back to hunt im glad to here  that thay dont have  generation of all the hard hitting hunters that hunted in them woods lot of us do so f.... ill bye one permit and walk in from the top in to a walk in only thats been that way for a while and they cant find elk rd hunters but we all been paying lets fix the elk cancer and forget whos getting rich and fix the proublem ive heard wfg  screwed up again and destroyed 10 more or so percent of the elk in st helens  then they wanted its less then 70 precent know and was a good stack of elk im sure they will blame it on winter  kill and hoof disease maybe to much on my mind



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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #48 on: November 28, 2017, 11:32:10 AM »
The biggest problem with these fees that I can see, and one that I face in many many of the areas I hunt in my neck of the woods, is when private timber holdings have landlocked access to public lands.  Timber companies are stewards of the land, and are required to operate under very specific guidelines to protect Timber, Fish, and Wildlife for future generations.  I believe DNR should require easements through timber property to access public land holdings. Remember, it may be PRIVATE property that the timber companies own but they CAN NOT OPERATE without DNR permission (permits)!

To further this concept:  I don't think it should be legal or acceptable for the State of Washington to condone PUBLIC property (be it lakes or forest lands) being landlocked PERIOD.  There should ALWAYS be an easement access.  Time and time again I see housing developments popping up and land-locking public parcels and completely shutting off access. It is BS for us to pay for those lands only to have them closed off to public access.

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« Reply #49 on: November 28, 2017, 11:36:32 AM »
How much land are we talking about that is landlocked?