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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2017, 10:20:31 AM »
Pictures or it didn't happen....


Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.

No pics FAKE NEWS, they’ll do anything to push thier agenda on the state.

Heck for all we know they could have been killed in Idaho, and brought here. Look at what’s going on in our political arena these days with all the fake accusations.
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2017, 10:46:12 AM »
I was struck by the term "Fair wolf plan" that the WDFW used in its statement. Fair to whom? That's the most ridiculous statement about the wolf plan I've heard to date.
I don't think we should justify poaching of any kind

I don't think wolves will ever be delisted, regardless of the care we take to protect them or how fast they multiply

I don't think anyone in the press is ever going to print what's really happening to the poor people, businesses, and ungulates of the NE corner.
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2017, 11:39:00 AM »
Sitka Blacktail, why do you assume this has anything to do with hunters? I lived and worked around wolves for a few years and there are many excellent reasons to kill every one you see other than protecting deer, elk and moose. Most states had bounties on them when I was young because of the damage they do to the economic interests and safety of people and their property. These insane policies are made by arrogant urban liberals who have never logged, worked on ranches, mined or have done any other type of real work around these large predators that hunt in packs. The most aggravating aspect of it is that many of these people get there paychecks from the tax money taken from hard working Americans who are adversely affected by these policies.

Most states had bounties on wolves when you were young?  When you make a ridiculous statement like that it's hard to take you seriously. Unless you are 150 years old or more.
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2017, 11:45:40 AM »
Why do guys on here always think it's a " hunter " and it's going to give said hunters a black eye ? There are others who own guns and do thrill killings to MAKE the hunters look bad. Just sayin'......... They are not hunters in my eyes.

I didn't assume it was hunters. I said it will make hunters look bad. Because the public will assume it was hunters.  And "hunters" are on this site saying,  "Kill more!"  "SSS" or some such drivel. That makes hunters look guilty too. Even if hunters didn't make the kill, those kinds of statements say hunters approve of this kind of poaching.

And when the public perceives hunters of approving or participating in breaking the law, we lose what little influence we have and lose non hunters who don't mind us hunting.

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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2017, 11:51:17 AM »
Pictures or it didn't happen....


Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.

No pics FAKE NEWS, they’ll do anything to push thier agenda on the state.

Heck for all we know they could have been killed in Idaho, and brought here. Look at what’s going on in our political arena these days with all the fake accusations.

Yah, a wolf that was collared here was shot in Idaho and dumped back here to create chaos with wolf recovery in Washington..............   Do you know how ignorant that sounds?
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2017, 11:55:58 AM »
I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......

Hopefully lots

If you think any good will come out of this for hunters, you're crazy.  For starters, if it was a collared wolf, any data that might have been gained is lost. They won't be able to track the pack if none of the other wolves are collared.  Second, this act will paint all hunters in a bad light and people who would otherwise support hunters will turn against us. At this point, we need all the friends we can get. Third, it will delay any delisting possibility. Fourth, it may result in more restrictions on hunters.


 I couldn't care less that they lost their data, it's worthless and spun in a biased fashion as far as I'm concerned.

 "Second"....Like a typical liberal you instantly put this on "hunters".....post up your evidence that a hunter did this.

 "Third", anyone concerned about the deer, elk and moose in this state should be hoping we never reach the numbers point that we are talking about, litigating, delisting.
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2017, 12:08:17 PM »
I thought it sickening that Mitch compared this wolf poacher with the Sandy hook shooter, or the Los Vegas shooter

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Why even interject that into the conversation?  Show's us a glimpse of where Mitch places these wolves in comparison to human lives taken in heinous mass killings.
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2017, 12:21:47 PM »
 :yeah: I keyed in on that as well

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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2017, 01:03:17 PM »
I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......

Hopefully lots

If you think any good will come out of this for hunters, you're crazy.  For starters, if it was a collared wolf, any data that might have been gained is lost. They won't be able to track the pack if none of the other wolves are collared.  Second, this act will paint all hunters in a bad light and people who would otherwise support hunters will turn against us. At this point, we need all the friends we can get. Third, it will delay any delisting possibility. Fourth, it may result in more restrictions on hunters.


 I couldn't care less that they lost their data, it's worthless and spun in a biased fashion as far as I'm concerned.

 "Second"....Like a typical liberal you instantly put this on "hunters".....post up your evidence that a hunter did this.

 "Third", anyone concerned about the deer, elk and moose in this state should be hoping we never reach the numbers point that we are talking about, litigating, delisting.

Like a typical right wingnut, you twist facts to suit your purpose. First, I'm far from a liberal. But that is irrelevant. 

Let's just focus on where I said a hunter did it? No such thing. I said hunters will be blamed for it. Big difference.

As for claiming any data is worthless....... Those collars are used to track wolves and were used to take out problem packs. Is that worthless too?
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2017, 01:10:19 PM »
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2017, 01:16:03 PM »
Knock it off. If you guys can't keep the discussion civil this  thread will be locked.

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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2017, 01:32:52 PM »
Pictures or it didn't happen....


Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.

No pics FAKE NEWS, they’ll do anything to push thier agenda on the state.

Heck for all we know they could have been killed in Idaho, and brought here. Look at what’s going on in our political arena these days with all the fake accusations.

Yah, a wolf that was collared here was shot in Idaho and dumped back here to create chaos with wolf recovery in Washington..............   Do you know how ignorant that sounds?

Did you see pics of any wolf that was shot, no, so who knows if a wolf had collar or not.

I don’t put anything past the corruption by the dept, or anyone else in involved with the wolf recovery.

They proven time and again they can’t be trusted.
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2017, 01:50:49 PM »
Poaching, no matter what the species, is something we (hunters) should oppose 100%.  If we can't agree on that, don't whine when the next moose or bighorn gets poached.

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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2017, 01:56:12 PM »
I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......

Hopefully lots

If you think any good will come out of this for hunters, you're crazy.  For starters, if it was a collared wolf, any data that might have been gained is lost. They won't be able to track the pack if none of the other wolves are collared.  Second, this act will paint all hunters in a bad light and people who would otherwise support hunters will turn against us. At this point, we need all the friends we can get. Third, it will delay any delisting possibility. Fourth, it may result in more restrictions on hunters.


 I couldn't care less that they lost their data, it's worthless and spun in a biased fashion as far as I'm concerned.

 "Second"....Like a typical liberal you instantly put this on "hunters".....post up your evidence that a hunter did this.

 "Third", anyone concerned about the deer, elk and moose in this state should be hoping we never reach the numbers point that we are talking about, litigating, delisting.

Like a typical right wingnut, you twist facts to suit your purpose. First, I'm far from a liberal. But that is irrelevant. 

Let's just focus on where I said a hunter did it? No such thing. I said hunters will be blamed for it. Big difference.

As for claiming any data is worthless....... Those collars are used to track wolves and were used to take out problem packs. Is that worthless too?

 Nice backtrack, "hunters" should never have even been brought into the conversation, except it furthers your never ending defense of WDFW and their predator protection.......and is no accident.

 Data from those collars has little to do with those wolves killing cattle, which is what has led to them being taken out. About the only good the collars do is help locate them for removal. :twocents:
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2017, 01:57:16 PM »
Pictures or it didn't happen....


Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.

No pics FAKE NEWS, they’ll do anything to push thier agenda on the state.

Heck for all we know they could have been killed in Idaho, and brought here. Look at what’s going on in our political arena these days with all the fake accusations.

Yah, a wolf that was collared here was shot in Idaho and dumped back here to create chaos with wolf recovery in Washington..............   Do you know how ignorant that sounds?

Did you see pics of any wolf that was shot, no, so who knows if a wolf had collar or not.

I don’t put anything past the corruption by the dept, or anyone else in involved with the wolf recovery.

They proven time and again they can’t be trusted.

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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2017, 02:08:18 PM »
Why do guys on here always think it's a " hunter " and it's going to give said hunters a black eye ? There are others who own guns and do thrill killings to MAKE the hunters look bad. Just sayin'......... They are not hunters in my eyes.

I didn't assume it was hunters. I said it will make hunters look bad. Because the public will assume it was hunters.  And "hunters" are on this site saying,  "Kill more!"  "SSS" or some such drivel. That makes hunters look guilty too. Even if hunters didn't make the kill, those kinds of statements say hunters approve of this kind of poaching.

And when the public perceives hunters of approving or participating in breaking the law, we lose what little influence we have and lose non hunters who don't mind us hunting.

If you don't understand that, we are already lost.



I didn't say it was you. It's just like trail cameras. Guys on here always assume their fellow hunters on HERE are stealing their cameras. I'd say that most people in Washington could give a rats butt about wolves and are very uneducated about them, if they know anything about wolves. out I'd say, get their info from CNW and the WDFW, which isn't truthful one bit. That's my take on it.  :tup:
I could care less about what anybody says..............

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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2017, 02:16:06 PM »
There is zero opinion in what you'll read below. Just straight numbers. Success rates as a whole have not gone down, but numbers of hunters have.

Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state.

Total deer harvest of all weapon types, number of hunters, success rate


GMU 124  Mount Spokane
2006: 2537, 7811, 32.5%
2016: 2176, 5917, 36.8%

GMU 121 Huckleberry
2006: 2405, 7809, 30.8%
2016: 2014, 5557, 36.2%

GMU 117    49 degrees
2006: 1635, 5347, 30.6%
2016: 1438, 4981, 28.9%

GMU 101   Sherman
2006: 1220, 4845, 25.2%
2016: 1101, 4124, 26.7%

GMU 108  Douglas
2006: 465, 1406, 33.1%
2016: 458, 1276, 35.9%

GMU 111   Aladdin
2006: 510, 1718, 29.7%
2016: 449, 1511, 29.7%

GMU 224
2006: 209, 1623, 12.9%
2016: 305, 1817,  16.8%

GMU 218
2006: 201, 1479, 13.6%
2016: 251, 1807, 13.9%

GMU 239
2006: 112, 1060, 10.6%
2016: 209, 947, 22.1%

GMU 247 Entiat
2006: 120, 1299, 9.2%
2016: 296, 1699, 17.4%


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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2017, 02:25:00 PM »
There is zero opinion in what you'll read below. Just straight numbers. Success rates as a whole have not gone down, but numbers of hunters have.

Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state.

Total deer harvest of all weapon types, number of hunters, success rate


GMU 124  Mount Spokane
2006: 2537, 7811, 32.5%
2016: 2176, 5917, 36.8%

GMU 121 Huckleberry
2006: 2405, 7809, 30.8%
2016: 2014, 5557, 36.2%

GMU 117    49 degrees
2006: 1635, 5347, 30.6%
2016: 1438, 4981, 28.9%

GMU 101   Sherman
2006: 1220, 4845, 25.2%
2016: 1101, 4124, 26.7%

GMU 108  Douglas
2006: 465, 1406, 33.1%
2016: 458, 1276, 35.9%

GMU 111   Aladdin
2006: 510, 1718, 29.7%
2016: 449, 1511, 29.7%

GMU 224
2006: 209, 1623, 12.9%
2016: 305, 1817,  16.8%

GMU 218
2006: 201, 1479, 13.6%
2016: 251, 1807, 13.9%

GMU 239
2006: 112, 1060, 10.6%
2016: 209, 947, 22.1%

GMU 247 Entiat
2006: 120, 1299, 9.2%
2016: 296, 1699, 17.4%


The Statement "Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state."  Is Total BS! Which makes me wonder about the rest, please explain..

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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2017, 02:27:22 PM »
IF the numbers are stating there has been no impact on the game herds due to wolf predation, then someone has been cooking the books.

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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2017, 02:29:46 PM »
There is zero opinion in what you'll read below. Just straight numbers. Success rates as a whole have not gone down, but numbers of hunters have.

Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state.

Total deer harvest of all weapon types, number of hunters, success rate


GMU 124  Mount Spokane
2006: 2537, 7811, 32.5%
2016: 2176, 5917, 36.8%

GMU 121 Huckleberry
2006: 2405, 7809, 30.8%
2016: 2014, 5557, 36.2%

GMU 117    49 degrees
2006: 1635, 5347, 30.6%
2016: 1438, 4981, 28.9%

GMU 101   Sherman
2006: 1220, 4845, 25.2%
2016: 1101, 4124, 26.7%

GMU 108  Douglas
2006: 465, 1406, 33.1%
2016: 458, 1276, 35.9%

GMU 111   Aladdin
2006: 510, 1718, 29.7%
2016: 449, 1511, 29.7%

GMU 224
2006: 209, 1623, 12.9%
2016: 305, 1817,  16.8%

GMU 218
2006: 201, 1479, 13.6%
2016: 251, 1807, 13.9%

GMU 239
2006: 112, 1060, 10.6%
2016: 209, 947, 22.1%

GMU 247 Entiat
2006: 120, 1299, 9.2%
2016: 296, 1699, 17.4%


The Statement "Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state."  Is Total BS! Which makes me wonder about the rest, please explain..

 :yeah: Again people believing only what wdfw feeds them!

Maybe it's just an oversight on your part but I do find it ironic you didn't add 113 in there as well which could be argued as one of the most impacted units of any in Washington. But here I'll do it for you.

GMU 113 Selkirk
2006: 727, 2580, 28.2%
2016: 427, 1951, 21.8%


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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2017, 03:25:05 PM »
There is zero opinion in what you'll read below. Just straight numbers. Success rates as a whole have not gone down, but numbers of hunters have.

Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state.

Total deer harvest of all weapon types, number of hunters, success rate


GMU 124  Mount Spokane
2006: 2537, 7811, 32.5%
2016: 2176, 5917, 36.8%

GMU 121 Huckleberry
2006: 2405, 7809, 30.8%
2016: 2014, 5557, 36.2%

GMU 117    49 degrees
2006: 1635, 5347, 30.6%
2016: 1438, 4981, 28.9%

GMU 101   Sherman
2006: 1220, 4845, 25.2%
2016: 1101, 4124, 26.7%

GMU 108  Douglas
2006: 465, 1406, 33.1%
2016: 458, 1276, 35.9%

GMU 111   Aladdin
2006: 510, 1718, 29.7%
2016: 449, 1511, 29.7%

GMU 224
2006: 209, 1623, 12.9%
2016: 305, 1817,  16.8%

GMU 218
2006: 201, 1479, 13.6%
2016: 251, 1807, 13.9%

GMU 239
2006: 112, 1060, 10.6%
2016: 209, 947, 22.1%

GMU 247 Entiat
2006: 120, 1299, 9.2%
2016: 296, 1699, 17.4%


The Statement "Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state."  Is Total BS! Which makes me wonder about the rest, please explain..

 :yeah: Again people believing only what wdfw feeds them!

Maybe it's just an oversight on your part but I do find it ironic you didn't add 113 in there as well which could be argued as one of the most impacted units of any in Washington. But here I'll do it for you.

GMU 113 Selkirk
2006: 727, 2580, 28.2%
2016: 427, 1951, 21.8%

I hadn't looked at that one, I just found the GMUs with the highest harvest rates in NE WA and just arbitrarily stopped where I did. Then I added some east Cascades GMUs to account for mule deer.

GMU 113
2000: 456, 4478, 10.0%
2001: 577, 2497, 13.0%   
2002: 467, 2549, 18.0%
2003: 614, 2494, 25.0%   
2004: 621, 2686, 23.0% 
2005: 636, 2331, 27.3%
2006: 727, 2580, 28.2%
2007: 556, 2688, 20.7%
2008: 443, ?
2009: 396, 2251, 17.6%
2010: 388, 1963, 19.8%
2011: 412, 2130, 19.3%
2012: 441, 2109, 20.9%
2013: 453, 2189, 20.7%
2014: 427, 2107, 20.2%
2015: 578, 2094, 27.6%   the wolves must have gone on vacation this year
2016: 427, 1951, 21.8%

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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2017, 03:57:46 PM »
I am curious, did they not just spend tons of money to takeout most of the Smackout pack with a “professional” hunter?
When they were tracking a mating female the whole time?
Seriously even if they takeout 30% a year, if they leave the mating females they are peeing in the wind.
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2017, 06:04:05 PM »
Quit shooting wolves with collars........

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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2017, 06:34:39 PM »
Pictures or it didn't happen....


Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.

No pics FAKE NEWS, they’ll do anything to push thier agenda on the state.

Heck for all we know they could have been killed in Idaho, and brought here. Look at what’s going on in our political arena these days with all the fake accusations.

Now there is a reintroduction program I could live with. :chuckle:
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Re: 2 wolves shot NE Washington
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2017, 07:07:09 PM »
I supose its random curiosity that led to the wdfw request for hunters to report days in the field, by unit, in the NE and whether they even saw a moose.  Yep, everything's cool.

 

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