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Re: cougar population
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2017, 05:31:40 PM »
When did WDFW come out against any additional harvest methods?  I think if HSUS and PAWS were supportive we could get some hound pursuit back, the state (WDFW) is not the problem in that regard.

 I-655 is not under the control of HSUS and PAWS. It was voted on and passed by "the people" of Washington (King, Snohomish Counties).

 To get hound hunting back will require A LOT more than their support. :twocents:
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Re: cougar population
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2017, 05:49:22 PM »
Only 40% of CMAs that have quotas ever reach quota. I have proposed and have significant support for additional harvest methods to be allowed.
WDFW has came out against any additional harvest methods.
Are they really supportive of predator harvest? It doesn't seem so.

It might of came out wrong.  Most of the good units on the eastside do get filled.  Mainly because the quotas are ridiculously low.  I hunt on a ranch a lot here by my house that every year we are seeing more and more cats every year.  They just added the April season to make people feel warm and fuzzy but it doesn't do jack when a lot of the units close by the end of early season

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Re: cougar population
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2017, 08:00:06 PM »
Enough to watch your back!

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Re: cougar population
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2017, 10:24:35 PM »
Only 40% of CMAs that have quotas ever reach quota. I have proposed and have significant support for additional harvest methods to be allowed.
WDFW has came out against any additional harvest methods.
Are they really supportive of predator harvest? It doesn't seem so.

It might of came out wrong.  Most of the good units on the eastside do get filled.  Mainly because the quotas are ridiculously low.  I hunt on a ranch a lot here by my house that every year we are seeing more and more cats every year.  They just added the April season to make people feel warm and fuzzy but it doesn't do jack when a lot of the units close by the end of early season
I have no disagreement with anything you said. From looking at the stats on cougar kills it looks to me like areas that have snow, accessibility and have opener landscapes tend to have their quotas filled.
That doesn't mean there are less cougar elsewhere. It means boot hunting is not effective in 60% of the State. Why not let another user group have a try at those unharvested quotas? A season could be crafted to not take away from other user groups so it is hard to understand why the Department will not support it.
Well, I can guess. In a meeting when I was giving my sales pitch, afterwards I heard this comment " We'll see what the Humane Society thinks of it". Somehow I knew I was sunk when I heard that. 
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Re: cougar population
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2017, 12:56:46 AM »
When did WDFW come out against any additional harvest methods?  I think if HSUS and PAWS were supportive we could get some hound pursuit back, the state (WDFW) is not the problem in that regard.

 I-655 is not under the control of HSUS and PAWS. It was voted on and passed by "the people" of Washington (King, Snohomish Counties).

 To get hound hunting back will require A LOT more than their support. :twocents:

Never going to happen!

In 1996, nine counties out of the 39 in the state voted for keeping hounds & baiting, that means, in addition to the ones mentioned above, there were 28 other counties, statewide that voted to take hounds and baiting away.

https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/results_report.aspx?e=&c=&c2=&t=&t2=&p=&p2=655&y=

Can click on the circled link in the picture to see the breakdown by county for those interested
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Re: cougar population
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2017, 11:37:17 AM »
Only 40% of CMAs that have quotas ever reach quota. I have proposed and have significant support for additional harvest methods to be allowed.
WDFW has came out against any additional harvest methods.
Are they really supportive of predator harvest? It doesn't seem so.

It might of came out wrong.  Most of the good units on the eastside do get filled.  Mainly because the quotas are ridiculously low.  I hunt on a ranch a lot here by my house that every year we are seeing more and more cats every year.  They just added the April season to make people feel warm and fuzzy but it doesn't do jack when a lot of the units close by the end of early season
I have no disagreement with anything you said. From looking at the stats on cougar kills it looks to me like areas that have snow, accessibility and have opener landscapes tend to have their quotas filled.
That doesn't mean there are less cougar elsewhere. It means boot hunting is not effective in 60% of the State. Why not let another user group have a try at those unharvested quotas? A season could be crafted to not take away from other user groups so it is hard to understand why the Department will not support it.
Well, I can guess. In a meeting when I was giving my sales pitch, afterwards I heard this comment " We'll see what the Humane Society thinks of it". Somehow I knew I was sunk when I heard that. 
that last part makes me sick!
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Re: cougar population
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2017, 02:30:59 PM »
HSUS will NEVER support hunting their entire mission is to take all animal use and ownership out of the hands of humans.  They are very anti people. PAWS is not much better.

They will always work against hunting.

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Re: cougar population
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2017, 03:44:20 PM »
Only 40% of CMAs that have quotas ever reach quota. I have proposed and have significant support for additional harvest methods to be allowed.
WDFW has came out against any additional harvest methods.
Are they really supportive of predator harvest? It doesn't seem so.

It might of came out wrong.  Most of the good units on the eastside do get filled.  Mainly because the quotas are ridiculously low.  I hunt on a ranch a lot here by my house that every year we are seeing more and more cats every year.  They just added the April season to make people feel warm and fuzzy but it doesn't do jack when a lot of the units close by the end of early season
I have no disagreement with anything you said. From looking at the stats on cougar kills it looks to me like areas that have snow, accessibility and have opener landscapes tend to have their quotas filled.
That doesn't mean there are less cougar elsewhere. It means boot hunting is not effective in 60% of the State. Why not let another user group have a try at those unharvested quotas? A season could be crafted to not take away from other user groups so it is hard to understand why the Department will not support it.
Well, I can guess. In a meeting when I was giving my sales pitch, afterwards I heard this comment " We'll see what the Humane Society thinks of it". Somehow I knew I was sunk when I heard that.
Do you think you could get one in a cage trap? Would you think it's like trapping a bobcat?

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Re: cougar population
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2017, 05:46:12 PM »
Only 40% of CMAs that have quotas ever reach quota. I have proposed and have significant support for additional harvest methods to be allowed.
WDFW has came out against any additional harvest methods.
Are they really supportive of predator harvest? It doesn't seem so.

It might of came out wrong.  Most of the good units on the eastside do get filled.  Mainly because the quotas are ridiculously low.  I hunt on a ranch a lot here by my house that every year we are seeing more and more cats every year.  They just added the April season to make people feel warm and fuzzy but it doesn't do jack when a lot of the units close by the end of early season
I have no disagreement with anything you said. From looking at the stats on cougar kills it looks to me like areas that have snow, accessibility and have opener landscapes tend to have their quotas filled.
That doesn't mean there are less cougar elsewhere. It means boot hunting is not effective in 60% of the State. Why not let another user group have a try at those unharvested quotas? A season could be crafted to not take away from other user groups so it is hard to understand why the Department will not support it.
Well, I can guess. In a meeting when I was giving my sales pitch, afterwards I heard this comment " We'll see what the Humane Society thinks of it". Somehow I knew I was sunk when I heard that.
Do you think you could get one in a cage trap? Would you think it's like trapping a bobcat?

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It is common to have them go in bobcat cages and steal the bait. All we need to trap them is the OK to do it and some bigger cages.
One member had a picture of a small one he caught in a bobcat cage 15x15x36. I don't know how the door managed to close.
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Re: cougar population
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2017, 06:04:27 PM »
Easy and cheap to build.
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Re: cougar population
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2017, 06:32:49 PM »
Easy and cheap to build.
http://www.livetraps.com/live-traps/cougar-traps


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It would not take that big of a trap.
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Re: cougar population
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2017, 07:37:35 PM »
When did WDFW come out against any additional harvest methods?  I think if HSUS and PAWS were supportive we could get some hound pursuit back, the state (WDFW) is not the problem in that regard.

 I-655 is not under the control of HSUS and PAWS. It was voted on and passed by "the people" of Washington (King, Snohomish Counties).

 To get hound hunting back will require A LOT more than their support. :twocents:

Never going to happen!

In 1996, nine counties out of the 39 in the state voted for keeping hounds & baiting, that means, in addition to the ones mentioned above, there were 28 other counties, statewide that voted to take hounds and baiting away.

https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/results_report.aspx?e=&c=&c2=&t=&t2=&p=&p2=655&y=

Can click on the circled link in the picture to see the breakdown by county for those interested

 My point exactly. ;)
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Re: cougar population
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2017, 08:22:17 PM »
I heard that there's a chance that we'll be cage trapping lions in the near future. I personally haven't been able to get off of lion sign this fall/winter regardless of where I've been. Also was involved in calling and killing a really big Tom this winter, there is to many around :twocents:
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Re: cougar population
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2017, 10:33:47 PM »
reading that list, it looks like every single county voted to ban it. Am I reading it wrong?

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Re: cougar population
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2017, 11:04:16 PM »
If toms have such a massive range according to the state why canít we at least transfer quota from one gmu to the other. States gonna do it with halibut this year why not cougars.

 

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