Target shooting on wdfw lands rule changes

[fireweed]

Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting.  They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!"  But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything.  (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years back

Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere.   They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway.  They did it with signs, maps,  and a line-items in a wildlife area plan.  All Administratively done without further input. 

Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference.  They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan.  There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere.  I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too.  Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.

[jasnt]

Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting.  They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!"  But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything.  (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years back

Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere.   They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway.  They did it with signs, maps,  and a line-items in a wildlife area plan.  All Administratively done without further input. 

Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference.  They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan.  There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere.  I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too.  Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.

i don’t doubt it for a sec.   hopefully this only pertains to wdfw land and not all public land

[bigtex]

Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting.  They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!"  But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything.  (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years back

Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere.   They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway.  They did it with signs, maps,  and a line-items in a wildlife area plan.  All Administratively done without further input. 

Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference.  They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan.  There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere.  I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too.  Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.

i don’t doubt it for a sec.   hopefully this only pertains to wdfw land and not all public land

WDFW can't regulate target shooting off WDFW land

[bigtex]

Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting.  They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!"  But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything.  (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years back

Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere.   They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway.  They did it with signs, maps,  and a line-items in a wildlife area plan.  All Administratively done without further input. 

Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference.  They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan.  There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere.  I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too.  Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.

Everything you mention is actually already in the current regs.

WAC 220-500-140
Firearms and target practicing.
(1)(a) It is unlawful to discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition on department lands.
(b) It is unlawful to discharge firearms in those portions of department lands where or when such discharge is prohibited by department posted notice or from or within five hundred feet of a department designated campground. Violating this subsection is a gross misdemeanor if the violation creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person, pursuant to RCW 9A.36.050.
(c) It is unlawful to fail to remove expended shell casings, ammunition packaging, or other related target debris, excluding clay pigeons, when target practicing on department lands at the conclusion of the target practice session and prior to departure from the area. Failure to remove debris constitutes littering.
(d) The use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, TVs, furniture, and exploding items as targets in target practicing is prohibited.
(2) The department may designate locations and times for target practicing consistent with resource management or public safety concerns.

[jasnt]

Thank you @bigtex

[jay.sharkbait]

Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting.  They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!"  But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything.  (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years back

Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere.   They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway.  They did it with signs, maps,  and a line-items in a wildlife area plan.  All Administratively done without further input. 

Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference.  They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan.  There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere.  I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too.  Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.

Everything you mention is actually already in the current regs.

WAC 220-500-140
Firearms and target practicing.
(1)(a) It is unlawful to discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition on department lands.
(b) It is unlawful to discharge firearms in those portions of department lands where or when such discharge is prohibited by department posted notice or from or within five hundred feet of a department designated campground. Violating this subsection is a gross misdemeanor if the violation creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person, pursuant to RCW 9A.36.050.
(c) It is unlawful to fail to remove expended shell casings, ammunition packaging, or other related target debris, excluding clay pigeons, when target practicing on department lands at the conclusion of the target practice session and prior to departure from the area. Failure to remove debris constitutes littering.
(d) The use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, TVs, furniture, and exploding items as targets in target practicing is prohibited.
(2) The department may designate locations and times for target practicing consistent with resource management or public safety concerns.

What about smoking cigarettes?

[bigtex]

Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting.  They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!"  But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything.  (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years back

Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere.   They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway.  They did it with signs, maps,  and a line-items in a wildlife area plan.  All Administratively done without further input. 

Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference.  They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan.  There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere.  I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too.  Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.

Everything you mention is actually already in the current regs.

WAC 220-500-140
Firearms and target practicing.
(1)(a) It is unlawful to discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition on department lands.
(b) It is unlawful to discharge firearms in those portions of department lands where or when such discharge is prohibited by department posted notice or from or within five hundred feet of a department designated campground. Violating this subsection is a gross misdemeanor if the violation creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person, pursuant to RCW 9A.36.050.
(c) It is unlawful to fail to remove expended shell casings, ammunition packaging, or other related target debris, excluding clay pigeons, when target practicing on department lands at the conclusion of the target practice session and prior to departure from the area. Failure to remove debris constitutes littering.
(d) The use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, TVs, furniture, and exploding items as targets in target practicing is prohibited.
(2) The department may designate locations and times for target practicing consistent with resource management or public safety concerns.

What about smoking cigarettes?

What does that have to do with target shooting? But to answer your question there is a statewide fire law that pertains to smoking cigarettes in forest/brush areas.

[jay.sharkbait]

Here's the problem with the whole process--there are absolutely no guarantees that a single acre will be open to shooting.  They say, "Wait, that's not true, all state land is open unless closed!"  But in reality after this whole dog and pony show, they will just close everything.  (OK maybe a few spots in huge eastern Wa wildlife areas will be open, but that's it). That's how it worked when they developed the "public process" and rules for camping a few years back

Go to the rules at where camping should be allowed (boat launches, all wildlife area land)--and then compare that with the end result on the ground--no camping signs everywhere.   They came up with this huge public process, got buy-in on "common sense" rules, made everyone feel good about the results--then they closed pretty much all land on the west side of Cascades anyway.  They did it with signs, maps,  and a line-items in a wildlife area plan.  All Administratively done without further input. 

Mark my words, the details of their shooting rules will make no difference.  They will just close pretty much everything, everywhere with administrative actions like signs, and insertions in a plan.  There needs to be guarantees that if a parcel of WDFW is so large (640 acres for example) it must allow shooting somewhere.  I think the same thing should be put in for camping, too.  Guarantees that large areas will allow camping.

Everything you mention is actually already in the current regs.

WAC 220-500-140
Firearms and target practicing.
(1)(a) It is unlawful to discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition on department lands.
(b) It is unlawful to discharge firearms in those portions of department lands where or when such discharge is prohibited by department posted notice or from or within five hundred feet of a department designated campground. Violating this subsection is a gross misdemeanor if the violation creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person, pursuant to RCW 9A.36.050.
(c) It is unlawful to fail to remove expended shell casings, ammunition packaging, or other related target debris, excluding clay pigeons, when target practicing on department lands at the conclusion of the target practice session and prior to departure from the area. Failure to remove debris constitutes littering.
(d) The use of glass, signs, appliances, mattresses, TVs, furniture, and exploding items as targets in target practicing is prohibited.
(2) The department may designate locations and times for target practicing consistent with resource management or public safety concerns.

What about smoking cigarettes?

What does that have to do with target shooting? But to answer your question there is a statewide fire law that pertains to smoking cigarettes in forest/brush areas.

Just trying to make sense of stupid *censored* and maybe a little perspective.

I’ll stop now.

Enjoy your bureaucracy..,