2022 Permit Returned

[X-Force]

I saw at least a couple cow permits getting turned back in. Who is turning a permit back in this year?

[Buck Rub Jr]

I’ll probably be turning in my second deer tag.

[RockChuck]

Was anyone notified for a permit last year that had been turned in? Wondering how that process works and when that happens.

[D-Rock425]

My daughter drew youth cow tag and the regular cow tag same season dates same unit so she'll be returning one.

[MtnMuley]

Was anyone notified for a permit last year that had been turned in? Wondering how that process works and when that happens.

Wdfw calls the next person in line once the permit is turned back in. Not sure their timeline on when they call  There's a list of who's next in line.

[hunter399]

I guess I better start answering my phone.
 

[RockChuck]

Was anyone notified for a permit last year that had been turned in? Wondering how that process works and when that happens.

Wdfw calls the next person in line once the permit is turned back in. Not sure their timeline on when they call  There's a list of who's next in line.

Ok thank you, so anytime before the permit turn in deadline.

[bustedoldman]

My daughter will be turning in a Antlerless deer tag…

[MtnMuley]

Was anyone notified for a permit last year that had been turned in? Wondering how that process works and when that happens.

Wdfw calls the next person in line once the permit is turned back in. Not sure their timeline on when they call  There's a list of who's next in line.

Ok thank you, so anytime before the permit turn in deadline.

You have up until 2 weeks before your hunt starts yo.turn your tag back in. Some lucky people will be getting a call with very short notice, asking if they want the tag.

[hunter399]

I wonder if anybody will see the 10.00 dollar a gallon gas price and return there tag.
Just curious.
Asking for a friend.

[BA Mongor]

I know this has been asked, but is there anyway to find out where you were on the draw list?
It would interesting to see if you were close or out in left field.

[hunter399]

I know this has been asked, but is there anyway to find out where you were on the draw list?
It would interesting to see if you were close or out in left field.

I wouldn't mind knowing.
But I have a feeling I'm at the entrance both ,not even in the 🏟.

[MtnMuley]

I know this has been asked, but is there anyway to find out where you were on the draw list?
It would interesting to see if you were close or out in left field.

The only people back in the day that'd know were the alternates on the OIL tags. I was next in line a couple years ago on a ewe tag and never got anything in the mail. Received a call about a month ahead of the hunt. To my knowledge the only way you could find out these days on where you sat in line would be to call them and I imagine if people started doing that, their phone lines would be ringing off the hook.

[Rainier10]

I heard from a guy that drew a bull and cow tag when he returned his cow tag they would not be reissuing it to someone else.

[pickardjw]

Yeah, if those tags aren't being reallocated in some way then the people complaining about others drawing multiple tags in one year might have a point.

I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.

[mossback91]

Yeah, if those tags aren't being reallocated in some way then the people complaining about others drawing multiple tags in one year might have a point.

I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.

I’ll be curious to see what they have to say.

[Rainier10]

I drew the Blue Mtn. Foothills Late Muzzy tag, the Blue Creek Muzzy tag and a Blue Creek Antlerless tag.

So, I called to see if I could surrender two of them and just keep the late tag. I did this thinking it would free those up for others to be awarded. I was sad to find out that while I can get my points back if i surrender those tags, nobody else will draw them. So, I took 3 tags out of the pool and will only be keeping one. Kind of a bummer it goes like that. Wonder how often that happens?

Just pulled this quote from @CoryTDF that he posted in a different thread.

[MtnMuley]

That had me confused as the ewe tag I got the call on being next in line wasn't an OIL tag. Wondering if I hot the call because of the MOVI issue and they wanted all those extra ewe tags that year to be filled.

If that's the case that the returned tags won't be given to another person, I think we need to group up and make a point to WDFW that either we go back to the days of no returns or they have an alternate list per species. I know I have a couple tags to return back this year and it disgusts me if this is true that I took ⁷a chance away from somebody else and that's not right. I wouldn't have done both categories with the points I had if it were like the past.

[Rainier10]

That’s what I think. It’s double screwing those that didn’t draw.

First it’s a tag they could award to someone that didn’t draw.

Second is the person that returns it gets their points back and are up against everyone the next year with their original point total plus one making everyone else odds worse.

[jackelope]

Yeah, if those tags aren't being reallocated in some way then the people complaining about others drawing multiple tags in one year might have a point.

I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.

I'm not sure anyone has legitimate grounds to complain about other people drawing multiple tags. Are we expected to apply for only one permit per year?

[Ghost Hunter]

Where is the written rule for returning permits?  Can't find it in the regs.  Link?

[Clearcut]

Yeah, if those tags aren't being reallocated in some way then the people complaining about others drawing multiple tags in one year might have a point.

I'm surprised (but not really) that the returned tag policy isn't clearly outlined. I know it is in other western states. Just sent the licensing department some questions about it.

I'm not sure anyone has legitimate grounds to complain about other people drawing multiple tags. Are we expected to apply for only one permit per year?

Not at all. Apply for them but be prepared to lose your points for every draw you get. Not like the point system works well anyway but giving back points for people to return a tag for any reason at all seems odd.

[pickardjw]

Where is the written rule for returning permits?  Can't find it in the regs.  Link?

On pg 16

[bobcat]

It would be extra work for them to issue returned permits to other people and no revenue to make it worth it for them to do so. I'm not saying this is how it should be, but just that it's probably the way the department sees it.

Also, it's not really something that should even be considered when a permit is returned only two weeks before the season starts. That's just not enough time. If permits were to be re-issued to another person, then the deadline for returning them should be more like two months before the season starts, not two weeks.

[Meow]

That’s what I think. It’s double screwing those that didn’t draw.

First it’s a tag they could award to someone that didn’t draw.

Second is the person that returns it gets their points back and are up against everyone the next year with their original point total plus one making everyone else odds worse.

It is infuriating that they don't just pass the tag onto a runner up and still allow its return for restoration of points. The department should keep records of the runners up and contact them to offer the tags that were returned.

Why allow the return of a "product" that you're just going to burn up or throw in the trash instead of sell to a different consumer?

[BULLBLASTER]

This is language taken directly from the WAC. WAC220-412-080

 successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued

[WSU]

WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:

"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."

Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.

[MeepDog]

It blows my mind that people thought this was a good idea. Sure the animal will still be in the system but if you draw you had your chance and should lose your points. I don't care if the world ends, your points should be gone. These days everybody wants to cry when it doesn't go perfectly their way.

On a positive note maybe with all these turned in tags the cow/doe harvest will be lower.

[pickardjw]

Well that settles that then.

I assume they just go next in line.

[bigtex]

WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:

"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."

Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.

"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.

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[WSU]

WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:

"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."

Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.

"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.

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True, which is why I said the WAC "contemplates" reissuance instead of "requires" reissuance.

[Blacktail Sniper]

WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:

"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."

Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.

"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.

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The Devil really is in the details!

[MeepDog]

WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:

"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."

Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.

"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.

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Exactly. I'll believe it when I start reading threads from people that have received a turned in tag. Until then they are just disappearing as far as I'm concerned.

[Buck Rub Jr]

The only reason I entertained returning my tag was because I might not have a ton of time and figured someone out there would devote more to it, but, if it isn’t going to be reissued to someone else I’m definitely not turning it back in. I’m not worried about my points being restored.

[millerwheeler]

I love how some people think people don’t have the right to question how these things work, people just want a far shake and no you don’t win every time and yes there are flaws  in our system not sure what the right answers are always but I do know we should all want the tags to be used and not be wasted and I still think if you draw one tag that’s it . Even when there was more tags I thought the same thing but don’t worry all my otc tags will be used with a huge smile i

[outdooraddict]

we crossed this bridge last year too, and multiple people had emails including myself from the dept stating they would be reissuing the tags, and as bullblaster posted, there is a WAC that states it.  I find it really interesting that throughout this entire forum, nobody has a friend or a friend of a friend that got a call and received a "returned tag"  seems that someone on the forum would at least know of or personally know a person that did get the call.  I would think an attorney somewhere would be salivating at this and making the state prove they are following through. 

[millerwheeler]

we crossed this bridge last year too, and multiple people had emails including myself from the dept stating they would be reissuing the tags, and as bullblaster posted, there is a WAC that states it.  I find it really interesting that throughout this entire forum, nobody has a friend or a friend of a friend that got a call and received a "returned tag"  seems that someone on the forum would at least know of or personally know a person that did get the call.  I would think an attorney somewhere would be salivating at this and making the state prove they are following through.

“Can” be reissued and must are 2 very different words and unfortunately do you think 2 weeks before season is enough time ?

[bobcat]

I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.

[Meow]

I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.

I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.

[MtnMuley]

I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.

I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, I received a returned ewe tag 2 years ago.

[jstone]

Do they notify you if you receive a turned in tag? Would suck to see all non successful and get a successful and not know about it

[Ghost Hunter]

WAC 220-412-080(1)(h) says, in part, as follows:

"(h) If for any reason a successful applicant chooses not to participate in the hunt, they are eligible for point restoration. The successful applicant seeking point restoration must return the special hunting season permit to the department of fish and wildlife Olympia headquarters two weeks before the opening day of the special hunting season so it can be reissued."

Sure sounds like the WAC contemplates the tags being reissued.

"Can" be reissued is different then "must" be reissued.

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The Devil really is in the details!

Or what season/year it would be reissued.   

[Meow]

I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.

I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, I received a returned ewe tag 2 years ago.

That's awesome! I'm glad you got that opportunity. That's how it should work.

[baker5150]

I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.

I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, I received a returned ewe tag 2 years ago.

That's awesome! I'm glad you got that opportunity. That's how it should work.

My FIL received a returned doe tag last season.  WDFW called him and asked if he wanted it.
It was a few months before season IIRC.

[RockChuck]

I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.

I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, I received a returned ewe tag 2 years ago.

That's awesome! I'm glad you got that opportunity. That's how it should work.

My FIL received a returned doe tag last season.  WDFW called him and asked if he wanted it.
It was a few months before season IIRC.

Thank you, so it can happen 

[outdooraddict]

fair enough, i mis-spoke, disregard what i said previously, im glad to hear people got the call for a returned tag.  The decision should have to be made within a couple weeks, likely the returned tags are due to drawing 2 of the same species (bull elk and cow elk) and only have one tag in their pocket.  Instead it can be made into a little bit of a game, hunt the regular season, if you fill your tag then great, return the later tag if able and get points back, or if you dont fill your regular season, then at least you have the late tag to hunt.  If they gave you 1 month from release of permits to make your desicion, it would open the opportunity for alot of hunters and use the tags as designed (to be hunted).

I believe I have seen posts about a person receiving a permit that had been returned. So I think it does happen, but probably not every time.

I understand that if a dude breaks his ankle a few weeks before season, or a fire breaks out in the unit shortly before the season, it may not be reissued due to time constraints. The fact that the department told the member who returned a couple of tags that they wouldn't be reissued with months to do so is absurd. I hope the person he was talking to was just ignorant.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, I received a returned ewe tag 2 years ago.

That's awesome! I'm glad you got that opportunity. That's how it should work.

My FIL received a returned doe tag last season.  WDFW called him and asked if he wanted it.
It was a few months before season IIRC.