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| jrebel:
--- Quote from: Jonathan_S on August 24, 2021, 05:22:27 PM --- --- Quote from: Magnum_Willys on August 24, 2021, 04:52:11 PM --- --- Quote from: Jonathan_S on August 14, 2021, 11:23:29 AM --- --- Quote from: dyhardhuntr on August 14, 2021, 10:44:32 AM ---I was listening to the gritty podcast on my way to and from my spring bear adventures. They had a good podcast on shot placement for bears. Both Brian and Ryan say they dissect the bear in half horizontally and vertically and aim where those 2 points meet which is dead center of the bears body. The vitals on a bear are further back then one would think. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk --- End quote --- I know this is a bear thread but that is also true of deer and elk. --- End quote --- :yike: :bdid: That doesn't sound right ? But I'm a high shoulder guy anyway - don't like packing out of canyon/cliffs ...... --- End quote --- I'm not suggesting it. I'm pointing out that broadside double lung hits go back as far as mid body. I prefer to shoot close to the < when I can --- End quote --- I hate seeing this stuff on hunting forums.....as it is simply not true. I took a pic of my son's bear yesterday but it has no reference to the half way point. I can tell you that half way back would have been a gut shot.....maybe liver, but no lungs. Next bear we kill, I will take pics with reference to the diaphragm. If I can get it out whole, I will put a tape measure on it to prove my point. Right behind the shoulder is as good a shot as any. A shoulder / leg shot is also good. Half way back is no good in most cases. If you hit the liver it will kill a bear quick, if you are off by even a little....and shoot back by even a couple inches, you have a got shot bear that will likely never be recovered. All of this is assuming the bear is perfectly broadside. Clearly if it is quartering away, the half way point might be a great entry point with the offside shoulder being the exit. Deer and elk are no different....if you are truly half way back, you are too far back and risk a gut shot. If your luck, the liver will be your saving grace. |
| Jonathan_S:
1) my post which appears to have triggered your hate was clearly focused on deer and elk. Again I don't aim for it but middle/middle is a double lung hit, won't bleed much but will kill quickly. 2) hate it or not, it's true and I've killed plenty of bears very quickly with that shot. I don't prefer it over a shoulder shot. 3) lots of bears are hit too far forward and lost. |
| dilleytech:
--- Quote from: jrebel on August 24, 2021, 05:31:59 PM --- --- Quote from: Jonathan_S on August 24, 2021, 05:22:27 PM --- --- Quote from: Magnum_Willys on August 24, 2021, 04:52:11 PM --- --- Quote from: Jonathan_S on August 14, 2021, 11:23:29 AM --- --- Quote from: dyhardhuntr on August 14, 2021, 10:44:32 AM ---I was listening to the gritty podcast on my way to and from my spring bear adventures. They had a good podcast on shot placement for bears. Both Brian and Ryan say they dissect the bear in half horizontally and vertically and aim where those 2 points meet which is dead center of the bears body. The vitals on a bear are further back then one would think. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk --- End quote --- I know this is a bear thread but that is also true of deer and elk. --- End quote --- :yike: :bdid: That doesn't sound right ? But I'm a high shoulder guy anyway - don't like packing out of canyon/cliffs ...... --- End quote --- I'm not suggesting it. I'm pointing out that broadside double lung hits go back as far as mid body. I prefer to shoot close to the < when I can --- End quote --- I hate seeing this stuff on hunting forums.....as it is simply not true. I took a pic of my son's bear yesterday but it has no reference to the half way point. I can tell you that half way back would have been a gut shot.....maybe liver, but no lungs. Next bear we kill, I will take pics with reference to the diaphragm. If I can get it out whole, I will put a tape measure on it to prove my point. Right behind the shoulder is as good a shot as any. A shoulder / leg shot is also good. Half way back is no good in most cases. If you hit the liver it will kill a bear quick, if you are off by even a little....and shoot back by even a couple inches, you have a got shot bear that will likely never be recovered. All of this is assuming the bear is perfectly broadside. Clearly if it is quartering away, the half way point might be a great entry point with the offside shoulder being the exit. Deer and elk are no different....if you are truly half way back, you are too far back and risk a gut shot. If your luck, the liver will be your saving grace. --- End quote --- Well this was double lung. Lungs go beyond midway back. Perfectly broadside. You don’t know the internals of a bear as much as you think. |
| Platensek-po:
--- Quote from: dilleytech on August 29, 2021, 01:14:24 PM --- --- Quote from: jrebel on August 24, 2021, 05:31:59 PM --- --- Quote from: Jonathan_S on August 24, 2021, 05:22:27 PM --- --- Quote from: Magnum_Willys on August 24, 2021, 04:52:11 PM --- --- Quote from: Jonathan_S on August 14, 2021, 11:23:29 AM --- --- Quote from: dyhardhuntr on August 14, 2021, 10:44:32 AM ---I was listening to the gritty podcast on my way to and from my spring bear adventures. They had a good podcast on shot placement for bears. Both Brian and Ryan say they dissect the bear in half horizontally and vertically and aim where those 2 points meet which is dead center of the bears body. The vitals on a bear are further back then one would think. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk --- End quote --- I know this is a bear thread but that is also true of deer and elk. --- End quote --- :yike: :bdid: That doesn't sound right ? But I'm a high shoulder guy anyway - don't like packing out of canyon/cliffs ...... --- End quote --- I'm not suggesting it. I'm pointing out that broadside double lung hits go back as far as mid body. I prefer to shoot close to the < when I can --- End quote --- I hate seeing this stuff on hunting forums.....as it is simply not true. I took a pic of my son's bear yesterday but it has no reference to the half way point. I can tell you that half way back would have been a gut shot.....maybe liver, but no lungs. Next bear we kill, I will take pics with reference to the diaphragm. If I can get it out whole, I will put a tape measure on it to prove my point. Right behind the shoulder is as good a shot as any. A shoulder / leg shot is also good. Half way back is no good in most cases. If you hit the liver it will kill a bear quick, if you are off by even a little....and shoot back by even a couple inches, you have a got shot bear that will likely never be recovered. All of this is assuming the bear is perfectly broadside. Clearly if it is quartering away, the half way point might be a great entry point with the offside shoulder being the exit. Deer and elk are no different....if you are truly half way back, you are too far back and risk a gut shot. If your luck, the liver will be your saving grace. --- End quote --- Well this was double lung. Lungs go beyond midway back. Perfectly broadside. You don’t know the internals of a bear as much as you think. --- End quote --- That is one awesome picture! |
| Jonathan_S:
--- Quote from: dilleytech on August 29, 2021, 01:14:24 PM --- --- Quote from: jrebel on August 24, 2021, 05:31:59 PM --- --- Quote from: Jonathan_S on August 24, 2021, 05:22:27 PM --- --- Quote from: Magnum_Willys on August 24, 2021, 04:52:11 PM --- --- Quote from: Jonathan_S on August 14, 2021, 11:23:29 AM --- --- Quote from: dyhardhuntr on August 14, 2021, 10:44:32 AM ---I was listening to the gritty podcast on my way to and from my spring bear adventures. They had a good podcast on shot placement for bears. Both Brian and Ryan say they dissect the bear in half horizontally and vertically and aim where those 2 points meet which is dead center of the bears body. The vitals on a bear are further back then one would think. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk --- End quote --- I know this is a bear thread but that is also true of deer and elk. --- End quote --- :yike: :bdid: That doesn't sound right ? But I'm a high shoulder guy anyway - don't like packing out of canyon/cliffs ...... --- End quote --- I'm not suggesting it. I'm pointing out that broadside double lung hits go back as far as mid body. I prefer to shoot close to the < when I can --- End quote --- I hate seeing this stuff on hunting forums.....as it is simply not true. I took a pic of my son's bear yesterday but it has no reference to the half way point. I can tell you that half way back would have been a gut shot.....maybe liver, but no lungs. Next bear we kill, I will take pics with reference to the diaphragm. If I can get it out whole, I will put a tape measure on it to prove my point. Right behind the shoulder is as good a shot as any. A shoulder / leg shot is also good. Half way back is no good in most cases. If you hit the liver it will kill a bear quick, if you are off by even a little....and shoot back by even a couple inches, you have a got shot bear that will likely never be recovered. All of this is assuming the bear is perfectly broadside. Clearly if it is quartering away, the half way point might be a great entry point with the offside shoulder being the exit. Deer and elk are no different....if you are truly half way back, you are too far back and risk a gut shot. If your luck, the liver will be your saving grace. --- End quote --- Well this was double lung. Lungs go beyond midway back. Perfectly broadside. You don’t know the internals of a bear as much as you think. --- End quote --- ^ Part of the issue is post mortem examination of the diaphragm and lungs reveal deflated and shrunken vitals. I shot my 15th and 16th bear a week and a half ago and mid-body hits resulted in a thorough job on the lungs. |
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