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Rainier10:

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How are you seeing the vote? The only video I could find was the public comment part from this morning.

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There may be a lag in posting it online.
I would say they are playing a shell game but it's far more brutal than that. Only a couple of them even pretend to care, the others are stating their intent and taking what's taken years to balance. Many of their cards were exposed today and the opposition is a step ahead or several steps. Sad couple of days to say the least.

hunter399:

Sorry,I haven't watched meeting.
Had work,busy schedule.

So we are going back to 2018 bear and cougar rules at minimum.
Could be even more cut back.
This correct?
Again sorry,I will watch meeting soon.

That's if they approve a season.
Or even set quota numbers.

hunter399:

Well if they want to roll back seasons.
Hopefully they have some integrity, accountability.

Here is the 2018 seasons for black bear/cougar.
Honestly if that's what they voted on,and voted yes.
Then I don't see how they can make any changes to season, except for what we did in 2018. At least for the next three years.
They should be held to there vote. If they don't like the 2018 season rules ,then they should read them before voting.
They would have to revote on this petition and vote it out .
Before making any other changes besides 2018 rules.
At this point ,the only thing we can do is hold them to there vote and be accountable for there actions.
My opinion it pretty much a guarantee at this point ,we will have a season,with rules and bag limits same as 2018,which a season with bag limits occurred in 2018.
Unless they revote the petition.
At least one positive.
Makes me wonder what the legal stand point is if they don't change season to exactly 2018 rules and regulations.

Looks like to me.
Northeast A September 1 opening.
Blues September 1 opening.
One bear bag limits east.
Two bear bag limits west.
Cougar stays the same season .
With quotas from 2018.

Link to 2018 big game regs.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01984

hunter399:

Sorry I've been back tracking through there petition.
Which is does not show the official application paperwork. As all other petitions do.
It does not say anything about 2018 rules.
So they have no accountability to roll back to 2018.

I'm still working through it.
But I believe.
It shows a quota chart similar to 2018 for cougar.
But also says they will count all safety removal towards the quota.
Which pretty much means in many areas the quota will be done before the season even opens.
Season will close March 31,no April seasons.

Bear will be September 1 statewide,one bear bag limits.

Not sure if they can even vote on a petition,without showing the official application paperwork. Not sure if that's a loop hole or what.
Honestly we should petition,that there petition be thrown out do to inadequate paperwork.
Just my thoughts.
You can't vote on a petition that doesn't show you officially submitted. Also that official application would show exactly the rules and wac laws that are to be amended.
90 page report,no application for petition.
Seems a little strange.
You can go to WDFW petition page ,click on any petition and see the application page . Except there petition.
Dare ya ,here is a link.
Clink on any petition,I can see there application paper.
Except the one they just voted on.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/petitions

I think this petition was pushed through without an official submission. Just in time for the three year season setting process.
They did not make the submission paper available for public viewing before the vote.
Voting on a petition that had not officially been submitted should not be voted on.

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