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No More Federal Land?
pianoman9701:
A solid argument could be made that the USDA and FS's banning of logging on federal lands since the 1980s is responsible for the intense damage caused by wildfires today...all supposedly done to protect the spotted owl, among other excuses, an owl that we know doesn't need old growth to survive and is in fact being killed off...by another owl. This clearly demonstrates the inability of the federal government to manage anything other than the military and maybe, the Treasury. With a return to responsible forestry, it's quite possible that the states could successfully manage those lands more efficiently and wouldn't have the disastrous wildfires to deal with.
JimmyHoffa:
In this state, I'm wondering if it would be better to skip the state and go to tribes. Then wdfw could be bypassed.
bigtex:
--- Quote from: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2024, 02:21:40 PM ---A solid argument could be made that the USDA and FS's banning of logging on federal lands since the 1980s is responsible for the intense damage caused by wildfires today...all supposedly done to protect the spotted owl, among other excuses, an owl that we know doesn't need old growth to survive and is in fact being killed off...by another owl. This clearly demonstrates the inability of the federal government to manage anything other than the military and maybe, the Treasury. With a return to responsible forestry, it's quite possible that the states could successfully manage those lands more efficiently and wouldn't have the disastrous wildfires to deal with.
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You want the incoming DNR Public Lands Commisisoner who wants to see less logging on DNR lands to take over all fed lands in WA? It'd be a disaster.
USFS has cut more timber in the past decade then the past 30 years. It'll never be like it used to be, but things are slowly improving.
Some states don't even allow public access to state land, or severely restrict it. We're lucky here in WA where we really have unfettered access to state lands, people in other states aren't so lucky.
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pianoman9701:
--- Quote from: bigtex on December 19, 2024, 03:11:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2024, 02:21:40 PM ---A solid argument could be made that the USDA and FS's banning of logging on federal lands since the 1980s is responsible for the intense damage caused by wildfires today...all supposedly done to protect the spotted owl, among other excuses, an owl that we know doesn't need old growth to survive and is in fact being killed off...by another owl. This clearly demonstrates the inability of the federal government to manage anything other than the military and maybe, the Treasury. With a return to responsible forestry, it's quite possible that the states could successfully manage those lands more efficiently and wouldn't have the disastrous wildfires to deal with.
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You want the incoming DNR Public Lands Commisisoner who wants to see less logging on DNR lands to take over all fed lands in WA? It'd be a disaster.
USFS has cut more timber in the past decade then the past 30 years. It'll never be like it used to be, but things are slowly improving.
Some states don't even allow public access to state land, or severely restrict it. We're lucky here in WA where we really have unfettered access to state lands, people in other states aren't so lucky.
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I'm confused by your first comment and your last comment. Are we lucky or unlucky? Those two comments are seemingly contradictory. Is the incoming commissioner going to take away our access or not?
MeepDog:
--- Quote from: bigtex on December 19, 2024, 03:11:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2024, 02:21:40 PM ---A solid argument could be made that the USDA and FS's banning of logging on federal lands since the 1980s is responsible for the intense damage caused by wildfires today...all supposedly done to protect the spotted owl, among other excuses, an owl that we know doesn't need old growth to survive and is in fact being killed off...by another owl. This clearly demonstrates the inability of the federal government to manage anything other than the military and maybe, the Treasury. With a return to responsible forestry, it's quite possible that the states could successfully manage those lands more efficiently and wouldn't have the disastrous wildfires to deal with.
--- End quote ---
You want the incoming DNR Public Lands Commisisoner who wants to see less logging on DNR lands to take over all fed lands in WA? It'd be a disaster.
USFS has cut more timber in the past decade then the past 30 years. It'll never be like it used to be, but things are slowly improving.
Some states don't even allow public access to state land, or severely restrict it. We're lucky here in WA where we really have unfettered access to state lands, people in other states aren't so lucky.
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Unfettered access to state lands is a bit of a stretch. We do have it good don't get me wrong, but our state closed all access to DNR land because it was hot outside a couple years back, and they close premium habitat and call it a natural area. I love that we can access random chunks of state land, even with farms on them, but they have the power to shut us out and recently did start using it.
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