First tribal elk kill of the summer?

[Up a Creek]

The fact that someone on this thread is willing to stand up for this kind of crap shows what greed and arrogance can do to rational thinking over time. Its never good to kill animals like this unless you absolutely need the meat to to live on and 1 good sized bull can take a family through most of the year not 2+. Just the fact tribes can do it doesn't make it right or a smart thing to do. Put the health of the heard first re guardless what rights ones entitled too.

[Yak-NDN]

Good words up  a creek I am with you on the health of the heard.

[Sporting_Man]

Yak-NDN, sorry, but I have not seen any proof that tribes are concerned about conservation... only about their right to harvest.
Entitlement to hunt and fish at any time came with a different purpose... Now it seems to be just about hurting each others feelings and interest (abusing our shared resources).
State has mechanisms to sanction poachers and system works - not to say it is perfect, but there are ways... how about tribes?
Elk and Salmon should not be victims of anybody's revenge for historical mistakes.   

[coachcw]

well put.

[buckhorn2]

I have read a lot of the posts and can see the differece of opinions on tribal rights and what are state does but have not seen anthing about enforcement or penalties. I have seen tribal cops but what happens if someone from the rez shoots several elk like in the posts and is turned in do they lose tribal rights and hunting priveleges like the state does to non indians who are caught in the same situations. We can read in our hunting regulations the amount for fines for different infractions and the conequences that could be applied. I just have never read what the penalties would be for for indians and just wondered if there are any.

[wildbill100]

its all based on hear say no truth to it no kill yet

[Yak-NDN]

I have read a lot of the posts and can see the differece of opinions on tribal rights and what are state does but have not seen anthing about enforcement or penalties. I have seen tribal cops but what happens if someone from the rez shoots several elk like in the posts and is turned in do they lose tribal rights and hunting priveleges like the state does to non indians who are caught in the same situations. We can read in our hunting regulations the amount for fines for different infractions and the conequences that could be applied. I just have never read what the penalties would be for for indians and just wondered if there are any.

Yes there are penalties I have known of a few Yakama Tribal Members that lost their rights, I also talked to the state wardens last year and they said that they sited some Yakama's for not staying on the green dot roads. Now for other tribes I don't know what to tell you, all tribes have different regs some tribes are true treaty tribes and some are not. Yakama's are a true treaty tribe.

[boneaddict]

Its always going to be a hot issue.  I think we have come a long ways with attitudes an dthoughts even on this board, especially with all of the Clockum elk talk.  There will always be animosity and trouble though the way things are designed now.  Even with level heads prevailing, you have guys liek Odie that come on here and flaunt their season and plans of shooting mass sheep in the Swakane just becasue he can and for the sole reason of rubbing it in.  Then the heat is on.   As resources dwindle and populations and technology swell, the pressure cooker is going to come to a head one of these days. 

[KillBilly]

Here we are again, just like last year.... venting all the same arguments over and over again and not solving anything.

You have to remember that OUR ANCESTORS are the ones that wrote the treaty that gives the Native Americans the rights that they enjoy today.

Rant at your ancestors if you are unhappy. Some of your ancestors still live and they are not required to hunt with the weapons of their day. Everybody advances over time...their was no continue to live in the past clause in any of the treaties.

The states and the tribes are not at fault here. If you want the situation changed, you need to gather strength and petition the federal government to re-write the treaties.

The fact is, that it is what it is whether you like it or not. All the ranting and bashing will not change a thing. Until we unite and are able to convince our government that it is necessary to change any treaty language it is useless to whine.

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[Yak-NDN]

Bone

  Who is Odie? And just to let you know the only way for a Yakama to shoot a sheep is to draw a tag and Swakane is not a unit that is open even if he did draw a tag. The tag is for one sheep and it is only in the Yakima and clockum are a total of about four of five sheep for the tribe. (No disrespect to you Bone) but I can hear it already its still not fair.

[boneaddict]

He was some jerkwad that came on to stir up trouble.  He was banned.  He did quite the job of eliciting typical stupid stereotypes though.  Lets just say he set relations back a couple hundred years.

[boneaddict]

One of his statements.....

last winter me an some guys from the rez were hunting up entiat for winter meat and we started gettin some heat from some gamies so we told them off or we'll take care of some big horn sheep on that highway 97 you should have seen their faces, priceless

[andrew_12gauge]

unfortunately both the native americans and the non natives have their bad apples seems that it is just easier for most to point fingers at the bad apples within the tribes yak-ndn, it sucks but the only thing you can do is keep doing what you are doing and being a good steward of wildlife and hopefully try and get back some of the respect that those bad apples both within your tribe and other tribes have lost dont let em get under your skin too much yak

[6x6in6]

Here we are again, just like last year.... venting all the same arguments over and over again and not solving anything.

You have to remember that OUR ANCESTORS are the ones that wrote the treaty that gives the Native Americans the rights that they enjoy today.

Rant at your ancestors if you are unhappy. Some of your ancestors still live and they are not required to hunt with the weapons of their day. Everybody advances over time...their was no continue to live in the past clause in any of the treaties.

The states and the tribes are not at fault here. If you want the situation changed, you need to gather strength and petition the federal government to re-write the treaties.

The fact is, that it is what it is whether you like it or not. All the ranting and bashing will not change a thing. Until we unite and are able to convince our government that it is necessary to change any treaty language it is useless to whine.

My  

Ding!

[boneaddict]

control issue I think.  If we actually capture our bad apples we have the right to hang them from a tree by their balls.  You feel a sense of helplessness when another governing body has control of someone else breaking rules and they affect what we consider ours.