Author Topic: eastside bear help (Read 10574 times)

rupejosh · « **on:** October 22, 2009, 09:19:52 PM »

hey guys new member here i have yet to get into any bears this year.i have hunted mt spokane ,newman lake ,mica peak ,and up around newport area.any ideas on how i can get into them?heck i would be grateful as a tag-along even.im just getting frustrated being i still have a handful of tags to fill

MHWASH · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2009, 08:59:25 PM »

Welcome to the site. Wish I could give you some advise, mabey give calling a try.

Thenewguy · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2009, 09:09:04 PM »

Find a food source and sit and glass. Have to sit very still for very long periods of time. good luck

NWTFhunter · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2009, 09:22:59 PM »

Its a lot of waiting unless you just get lucky that day. Or you could be like the family I ran into tonight, pulled into the gas station and there was a nice bear in the back of the truck. I frequent the store so the lady wasn't shy in letting out the trick. I guess its all about feeding them and then stop all of a sudden and a couple days later bring in some smelly goodies early in the morning. God I would love to work undercover for the game dept! Oh and to top it off... they had their young son with them teaching how to ethically hunt !!! A holes

Gutpile · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2009, 09:24:04 PM »

Should have got your 10 points for turning them in.

rupejosh · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2009, 09:47:06 AM »

thanks guys.i was wondering if i soaked a rag with bacon grease and drug it behind me if that is legal or not?

Gutpile · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2009, 10:07:56 AM »

Galpster · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2009, 01:28:02 PM »

I was told bear lures are legal in this state. They sell it for about $10 bucks a bottle at Cabelas.

carpsniperg2 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:15:29 PM »

i think that any scent is legal but any food source put out is not legal and is considered bait i would of turned them in as well

Machias · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2009, 08:00:27 PM »

Bear lures are illegal and it makes no difference if they sell it somewhere. We've had this discussion many times here. They sell LOTS of things in various stores inside and outside the state which are illegal for use in the state. Bait is classified as ANY substance placed to attract bears. Trust me lure falls into this catagory.

Gutpile · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2009, 09:30:24 PM »

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Bait is classified as ANY substance placed to attract bears. Trust me lure falls into this catagory.

I got it straight from a gamey. Scent, lures, food, is all baiting. It's illegal. trust me. I've had this arguement 1000 times so I figured I'd ask a gamey face to face. Scent is bait.

agchawk · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2009, 11:11:02 PM »

Quote from: NWTFhunter on October 24, 2009, 09:22:59 PM

Its a lot of waiting unless you just get lucky that day. Or you could be like the family I ran into tonight, pulled into the gas station and there was a nice bear in the back of the truck. I frequent the store so the lady wasn't shy in letting out the trick. I guess its all about feeding them and then stop all of a sudden and a couple days later bring in some smelly goodies early in the morning. God I would love to work undercover for the game dept! Oh and to top it off... they had their young son with them teaching how to ethically hunt !!! A holes

Yea, I sincerely hope you did the RIGHT thing and turned thier happy ass' in immediately. Not saying you did or did not, but I see this way too many times. Folks bitching about unethical hunters, poachers, and law-breakers yet they never do anything about it. Even if you distrust the game department or feel that it's not enough for them to make an arrest...do your part! Make the call and let the authorities do what they need to do. I would much rather see the information passed to them regardless because if they don't know about it then it's a certainty that those freakin' idiots will get away with it...and do it again and again until they finally do get busted.

Galpster · « **Reply #12 on:** October 26, 2009, 10:33:01 AM »

I hope you turned them in as well. Just not the right image us lawful hunters want out there. Also thanks everyone for clarifying the use of bear lures. I have seen it used in this state and I reread the hunting regs and it says any bait is illegal.

Thanks again

Grizzly95 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 27, 2009, 12:36:01 AM »

Good thing I stumbled onto this thread, I will admit I was illegal this fall when I was tipped off on a bear location. I put apple scent on a stump to attract the bear, never saw it and thankfully didn't shoot one. It did come in and destroy the stump. I was also trying to get some good pictures of anything on my new homebrew. Never the less, I admit I was in the wrong and will discontinue that. I hope this doesn't piss anyone off. I was following the advice of some old timers in the area, guess I will just follow all you old timers instead.

Kain · « **Reply #14 on:** November 27, 2009, 04:43:58 AM »

Quote from: Grizzly95 on November 27, 2009, 12:36:01 AM

Good thing I stumbled onto this thread, I will admit I was illegal this fall when I was tipped off on a bear location. I put apple scent on a stump to attract the bear, never saw it and thankfully didn't shoot one. It did come in and destroy the stump. I was also trying to get some good pictures of anything on my new homebrew. Never the less, I admit I was in the wrong and will discontinue that. I hope this doesn't piss anyone off. I was following the advice of some old timers in the area, guess I will just follow all you old timers instead.

Many MANY people are confused by this law. It should be clear in the regs and it is not. It would have been so easy for them to put in ONE sentence telling their definition of baiting, but they didnt. Makes me wonder if they do this kind of stuff on purpose.

Kain · « **Reply #15 on:** November 27, 2009, 04:45:36 AM »

Read them for yourself. And spread the word.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245

(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.

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Dear Mr. Kain,

Thank you for contacting the Wildlife Program with your question on bait. As defined in RCW 77.15.245 bait is defined as “a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.”

This includes scents, and other popular attractants sold by sporting goods stores.

If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to contact the Wildlife Program at (360) 902-2515.

Sincerely,

Mike Day
Customer Service Specialist
Wildlife Program

Joe_Hunter · « **Reply #16 on:** November 29, 2009, 11:49:33 PM »

Kain:
Thanks for providing expert opinion on this matter. There are allot f opinions out there but I think we can all agree that the one opinion that matters most is the one that enforces the law.

Great Job

Kain · « **Reply #17 on:** November 30, 2009, 10:59:41 AM »

Quote from: Joe_Hunter on November 29, 2009, 11:49:33 PM

Kain:
Thanks for providing expert opinion on this matter. There are allot f opinions out there but I think we can all agree that the one opinion that matters most is the one that enforces the law.

Great Job

No problem but I got this info from other guys on here. This topic comes up every couple months and some guys get tired of talking about it. (Not that that stops them)

So I decided to keep the info and post it when ever it comes up. We should all write letters to WDFW and make them include the definition in next years regs to eliminate the confusion. What I dont like about this is that if you are out elk hunting and are covered in elk piss and you happen to come across a really nice bear...can you shoot it? Nope.

ipkus · « **Reply #18 on:** December 09, 2009, 10:53:17 AM »

Quote from: Kain on November 30, 2009, 10:59:41 AM

What I dont like about this is that if you are out elk hunting and are covered in elk piss and you happen to come across a really nice bear...can you shoot it? Nope.

Why? You didn't cover yourself in elk piss 'for the purpose of attracting black bears', so it doesn't apply.

Read the rule.

STIKNSTRINGBOW · « **Reply #19 on:** December 09, 2009, 05:36:00 PM »

The law is written for the A-holes that cheat, not for honest, ethical hunters.
If I use elk cover scent and go bear hunting, and call one in to me, I am not using scent as bait...
If I use scent on a stump and have my tree-stand, blind, whatever... and try to convince a gamey I wasn't using bait, I am breaking the law.

As they will tell you, as they write the citation, "tell it to the judge"

yakimarcher · « **Reply #20 on:** December 11, 2009, 11:48:56 AM »

someone told me it was legal to shoot a bear off a carcas if it wasn't moved. I have no idea if this is legal or just bull SH.

longrange7mm · « **Reply #21 on:** December 11, 2009, 12:23:41 PM »

haha what if the caracas dont move from were i dump it

jks i heard storys from the oldtimers that they used to take lame horses out into the woods and shoot grizzlies and wolves off of them back in the 40's and 50's

Ridgeratt · « **Reply #22 on:** December 11, 2009, 06:58:25 PM »

Quote from: ipkus on December 09, 2009, 10:53:17 AM

Quote from: Kain on November 30, 2009, 10:59:41 AM
What I dont like about this is that if you are out elk hunting and are covered in elk piss and you happen to come across a really nice bear...can you shoot it? Nope.

Why? You didn't cover yourself in elk piss 'for the purpose of attracting black bears', so it doesn't apply.

Read the rule.

Ok so my question is that a couple of years ago while early season grouse hunting we stopped and cooked up some breakfast. Bacon (Peppered),Ham,Eggs and spuds. While we were sitting there eating we had a bear show up. Was I baiting or eating and could I have shot him?

KillBilly · « **Reply #23 on:** December 11, 2009, 07:01:48 PM »

I would say that if you believe your breakfast odors attracted that bear then you should not shoot it unless protecting yourself from a bear that was intent on hurting you for the food.

ipkus · « **Reply #24 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:00:58 PM »

Cheese and rice you guys make this hard...

...READ THE RULE!!!

'for the purpose of attracting black bears'

Did you eat breakfast 'for the purpose of attracting black bears'? If the answer is "No, we ate breakfast to...eat breakfast" then pull the trigger, you are legal. If you grilled bacon and ham with the intent of attracting a bear, then that's illegal, don't shoot.

It's not even a gray area deal.

bobcat · « **Reply #25 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:22:37 PM »

I have to agree with ipkus. Don't read into the law something that it doesn't say.

rupejosh · « **Reply #26 on:** December 24, 2009, 02:59:54 AM »

so the key to bear hunting is eating alot........

STIKNSTRINGBOW · « **Reply #27 on:** December 24, 2009, 09:09:10 AM »

Ya.. If you take 5lbs of bacon, a bottle of liquid smoke, a bag of marshmallows, and a bottle of maple syrup and a small stove in your day-pack, you would probably get a ticket...
but fixing lunch in camp would be O.K.
AGAIN the law is to cover guys that are obviously baiting, not hunters using cover scent, or someone lucky enough to have a bear wander in to there camp, parking spot, or whatever....
This is not "rocket science"

No matter what you are cooking, if you are doing it in a questionable manner, like burning it in or near your blind. Or in excessive amounts, or with strange combinations etc.
But I suspect most of these questions are just being facetious...

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