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billythekidrock:
--- Quote from: Wacenturion on January 23, 2010, 12:40:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: billythekidrock on January 23, 2010, 12:08:18 PM ---Wow!
I always thought Pozzanghera to be a nice guy.
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You just need to get to know them better...lol. :chuckle:
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I hear ya.
yelp:
I have met Mr. Kretz and I understand his frustrations. As a representative he deserves respect. I also think that if land with important wildlife habitat is in jeopardy of being developed into housing complexes, recreational lots and this fragments habitats I think it should be saved or managed a certain way. Living in a rural part of the state myself..I don't like seeing progress. As a hunter and taxpayer I'll also hate cattle grazing on the state/federal lands..nothing like going up into the mountains to get fresh air and smelling cow *censored*.
Okanogan county is home to a million acre reservation (largest landowner),US Forest Service, WADNR, and WDFW (actually smaller of the above) in regards to lands owned/managed.
Most landowners to do manage property better than the state. I believe most of properties are purchased with the intent of keeping habitat intact. I like hunting the Chiliwist and other properties in Okanogan for them turkeys..:twocents:
wolfbait:
--- Quote from: yelp on January 23, 2010, 05:10:55 PM ---I have met Mr. Kretz and I understand his frustrations. As a representative he deserves respect. I also think that if land with important wildlife habitat is in jeopardy of being developed into housing complexes, recreational lots and this fragments habitats I think it should be saved or managed a certain way. Living in a rural part of the state myself..I don't like seeing progress. As a hunter and taxpayer I'll also hate cattle grazing on the state/federal lands..nothing like going up into the mountains to get fresh air and smelling cow *censored*.
Okanogan county is home to a million acre reservation (largest landowner),US Forest Service, WADNR, and WDFW (actually smaller of the above) in regards to lands owned/managed.
Most landowners to do manage property better than the state. I believe most of properties are purchased with the intent of keeping habitat intact. I like hunting the Chiliwist and other properties in Okanogan for them turkeys..:twocents:
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Hello Yelp, I agree with you, I would rather have the WDFW buy land up instead of having it developed into a house on every ridge with NO Tresspassing signs spaced 10 ft apart. I don't think any of us are going to like what finally ends up happening to the land that wdfw has acquired on down the road. I Really didn't like this part.
(The Nature Conservancy also testified against Kretz’ bills.
The group, he said, speaks in code words and phrases they think rural folks are too stupid to catch. One code phrase Kretz noticed alluded to moving forward with a “wildlife corridor” through the district, which sounded eerily familiar to the Yukon to Yellowstone (Y2Y) legislation introduced the past several years.)
If you haven't heard about the Y2Y you might want to look into it. It is scary as hell. I think the wolf will help to run folks off their land or shut down large lots of land, no public use or very limilted. WDFW are not the same group of people that worked there forty years ago, this is a new breed. Take a look at the link below and tell me what you think. Wolfbait
http://www.takingliberty.us/TLHome.html
Wacenturion:
There is always two sides to a problem. First completely agree that critical lands need to be protected for wildlife's sake. Second I surely understand where Mr. Kretz and people in Okanogan county and elsewhere are coming from. Both of these are a much easier fix than you might think. The real problem here is a lack of communication.
Generally Mr. Kretz nor many of his constituents would have a big problem with WDFW owning land for wildlife. Where the problem arises is that WDFW usually does a piss poor job of taking care of it.............BINGO! Here he has a legitimate grip. Then when WDFW officials poo poo him, it gets worse. Just look at WDFW's wildlife area program...........it's been in a custodial mode since the 40's and 50's. There was a brief period during the 90's when a newly formed lands division within WDFW focus on department owned lands and public access to private lands. Take a look at a major project at Scotch Creek Wildlife Area for sharptails in 1992 and what it looks like today. Riparian zone reestablished and sharptails present....a success.
Furthermore in the Columbia Basin quite a few parcels of small acreages totalling a couple thousand acres were purchased for pheasant habitat restoration at this time. These sites were managed by field staff dedicated to taking care of them. At first adjacent landowners were saying the same as Mr. Kretz. After a year or so, they were basically telling any of their neighbors to sell to WDFW's Upland Wildlife Restoration Program as it was managing these parcels better than they ever were managed in the past. In fact the Grant County Weed District was using these parcels as examples of how to correctly manage for noxious weeds. Quite the turn around. Unfortunately in 1999 WDFW Wildlife Management Program took over that program and has since dismantled it. If truth be known, that program was making all those pseudo wildlife biologists look bad....fact.
So it's more than talk. WDFW has to walk the walk. Until they do, the Mr. Kretz's of the world have more than valid points. By the way...that flannel shirt comment....just goes to show you that WDFW has always excelled at being condescending to it's constituents.....just like they are to us. :twocents:
yelp:
--- Quote from: wolfbait on January 23, 2010, 05:38:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: yelp on January 23, 2010, 05:10:55 PM ---I have met Mr. Kretz and I understand his frustrations. As a representative he deserves respect. I also think that if land with important wildlife habitat is in jeopardy of being developed into housing complexes, recreational lots and this fragments habitats I think it should be saved or managed a certain way. Living in a rural part of the state myself..I don't like seeing progress. As a hunter and taxpayer I'll also hate cattle grazing on the state/federal lands..nothing like going up into the mountains to get fresh air and smelling cow *censored*.
Okanogan county is home to a million acre reservation (largest landowner),US Forest Service, WADNR, and WDFW (actually smaller of the above) in regards to lands owned/managed.
Most landowners to do manage property better than the state. I believe most of properties are purchased with the intent of keeping habitat intact. I like hunting the Chiliwist and other properties in Okanogan for them turkeys..:twocents:
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Hello Yelp, I agree with you, I would rather have the WDFW buy land up instead of having it developed into a house on every ridge with NO Tresspassing signs spaced 10 ft apart. I don't think any of us are going to like what finally ends up happening to the land that wdfw has acquired on down the road. I Really didn't like this part.
(The Nature Conservancy also testified against Kretz’ bills.
The group, he said, speaks in code words and phrases they think rural folks are too stupid to catch. One code phrase Kretz noticed alluded to moving forward with a “wildlife corridor” through the district, which sounded eerily familiar to the Yukon to Yellowstone (Y2Y) legislation introduced the past several years.)
If you haven't heard about the Y2Y you might want to look into it. It is scary as hell. I think the wolf will help to run folks off their land or shut down large lots of land, no public use or very limilted. WDFW are not the same group of people that worked there forty years ago, this is a new breed. Take a look at the link below and tell me what you think. Wolfbait
http://www.takingliberty.us/TLHome.html
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Just watched it wolfbait..very interesting brings up valid issues for sure.
I also agree with what Wacenturian said..its a communication issue plain and simple. Habitat Conservation is a tough one. I think providing education and assistance to private landowners maybe more valuable and proovide more benefits rather than just purchasing land to preserve habitat. If you ignore habitat degredation you then are also ridiculed for not doing anything. Incentives and programs to educate and assist landowners maybe the ticket. Not sure.
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