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Jerbears letter to the wdfw
rasbo:
have been a licensed hunter and fisherman in this state since the 1950's I still have my first state hunting license from 1954. I have seen this state deteriorate from a hunting and fishing paradise to what it is today. Now to get a decent hunt, one must go out of state. You now are asking for my help in saving your jobs. I really have to think about this.
I thought when you got rid of the last clown to head up the department, you would bring someone in with a set, and let them clean up the mess. But no, you hired the clown we have now, and nothing has changed.
You let one of your biologist come in and say a few words as to what he/she wants and you hand it to them. An example is the late turkey hunt here in Klickitat county. The biologist that sold you that fairy tale did so for personal reasons. I know, I ask him why he had it changed to permit hunting in the fall. He told me it was because he felt that too many hen turkeys would be harvested. The state of Missouri had a 20 year study that showed quite the opposite, but he neglected to tell you. Look at you own kill stats. With 75 permits given out, the highest number killed in one year was 23, Most kills were in the teens. Now you have expanded it to 150 permits. This biologist has since retired, in fact did so after you set the new regulations. I live here. We have huge flocks of turkeys. He is a liar. But he is a biologist, and therefore his word is the gospel. The fall season should not require permits. Period.
Just a few years ago, you let a herd of elk starve in the St. Helens elk conservatory. They ate all available food. Channel 6 out of Portland filmed trophy elk dying out of starvation. Had someone taken hay in there we could have saved some. Well that ain't going to happen. That would take away from the Oregon Spotted Frog and Western Pond turtle program. You know, that is where you gather the eggs, take them to some zoo in Portland, have them hatched and after they get a certain size, with much publicity, return them back up here.
I don't even take your surveys anymore. Any idiot can see that all the answers are directed towards what you want.
You gave the Klickitat hatchery to the Yakama Tribe. You did it in a round about sneaky way, to keep us here in Klickitat County in the dark. When we got wind of it, it was too late. I was at the meetings held here in Klickitat County. We were promised that the Yakama's while wanting only native steelhead in the Klickitat River, would clip a large number of fish for the sportsmen. Well guess what. They don't even raise steelhead at the hatchery. It is an all salmon hatchery. So now we have the added expense of hatching, raising, and transporting them form the Skamannia hatchery. A multimillion dollar hatchery, that you gave away.
Again this year you are raising my hunting and fishing fees. You keep giving us shorter seasons, and keep adding the costs to it. For the most part you side with the tree huggers. You know the floppy hat, knee length, multi pocketed shorts, and drive Subaru's. You kiss their hind ends. You bend over backwards to kiss their hind ends. What do they contribute. A $10.00 parking fee? Wow. That helps you a bunch.
A few years ago, Field and Stream magazine called you people the political game department in the nation. They were right then, and it has only got worse. Do you really want to know what we think. Go to Hunting-Washington.com. Click on the thread about the WDF&W.. You have failed us. Now you want our help. The commission was created for a purpose. You neglect your duties, and turn your backs on us sportsmen and women. Maybe a change is needed.
Jerry Wilson
17 Soda Springs Road
NWBREW:
:tup: It seems no matter what sportsmens say (or write) it falls on deaf ears. And what jerbear wrote was just a drop in the bucket. Sometimes I think the WDFW do not care what we think because they think they know better. I just wish they would listen.....not just hear but really listen to others that care about the fish and wildlife besides a biologist that may not spend as much time in the hunting and fishing enviorment as others.
mountainman1:
:chuckle: I agree with you totally Rasbo, the wdfw are supposed to be working for the hunters and fishermen and women. That was the way it was in the 50's and the 60's but something went wrong. Collage kids trained in school not out here on the ground with the people who really know what is going on out here. An example of a job that they did from the desk in Olympia was years ago there used to be a late archery unit in 242 Alta, right next to the Chelan unit, Well setting in their offices they figured that was to close together so lets just do away with the Alta unit. good theory from the office and they didn't even have to leave the office :chuckle: Why did they by up all of that property in the Alta unit, not for the Hunters. Just last year they bought up some more of the Golden Doe ranch, only 50 acres left, they should have bought it all. I here tell it was for "Wolf Habitat". We as hunters would be hard pressed to get an archery unit or kind of hunting there where their endangered wolf lives! :chuckle:
wolfbait:
--- Quote from: rasbo on February 14, 2010, 10:22:32 PM ---have been a licensed hunter and fisherman in this state since the 1950's I still have my first state hunting license from 1954. I have seen this state deteriorate from a hunting and fishing paradise to what it is today. Now to get a decent hunt, one must go out of state. You now are asking for my help in saving your jobs. I really have to think about this.
I thought when you got rid of the last clown to head up the department, you would bring someone in with a set, and let them clean up the mess. But no, you hired the clown we have now, and nothing has changed.
You let one of your biologist come in and say a few words as to what he/she wants and you hand it to them. An example is the late turkey hunt here in Klickitat county. The biologist that sold you that fairy tale did so for personal reasons. I know, I ask him why he had it changed to permit hunting in the fall. He told me it was because he felt that too many hen turkeys would be harvested. The state of Missouri had a 20 year study that showed quite the opposite, but he neglected to tell you. Look at you own kill stats. With 75 permits given out, the highest number killed in one year was 23, Most kills were in the teens. Now you have expanded it to 150 permits. This biologist has since retired, in fact did so after you set the new regulations. I live here. We have huge flocks of turkeys. He is a liar. But he is a biologist, and therefore his word is the gospel. The fall season should not require permits. Period.
Just a few years ago, you let a herd of elk starve in the St. Helens elk conservatory. They ate all available food. Channel 6 out of Portland filmed trophy elk dying out of starvation. Had someone taken hay in there we could have saved some. Well that ain't going to happen. That would take away from the Oregon Spotted Frog and Western Pond turtle program. You know, that is where you gather the eggs, take them to some zoo in Portland, have them hatched and after they get a certain size, with much publicity, return them back up here.
I don't even take your surveys anymore. Any idiot can see that all the answers are directed towards what you want.
You gave the Klickitat hatchery to the Yakama Tribe. You did it in a round about sneaky way, to keep us here in Klickitat County in the dark. When we got wind of it, it was too late. I was at the meetings held here in Klickitat County. We were promised that the Yakama's while wanting only native steelhead in the Klickitat River, would clip a large number of fish for the sportsmen. Well guess what. They don't even raise steelhead at the hatchery. It is an all salmon hatchery. So now we have the added expense of hatching, raising, and transporting them form the Skamannia hatchery. A multimillion dollar hatchery, that you gave away.
Again this year you are raising my hunting and fishing fees. You keep giving us shorter seasons, and keep adding the costs to it. For the most part you side with the tree huggers. You know the floppy hat, knee length, multi pocketed shorts, and drive Subaru's. You kiss their hind ends. You bend over backwards to kiss their hind ends. What do they contribute. A $10.00 parking fee? Wow. That helps you a bunch.
A few years ago, Field and Stream magazine called you people the political game department in the nation. They were right then, and it has only got worse. Do you really want to know what we think. Go to Hunting-Washington.com. Click on the thread about the WDF&W.. You have failed us. Now you want our help. The commission was created for a purpose. You neglect your duties, and turn your backs on us sportsmen and women. Maybe a change is needed.
Jerry Wilson
17 Soda Springs Road
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Great letter Jerbear! The points that you have made are just a few of the how WDFW have let the management of game go by the way side. They don't do their job but they want us to support them anyway, sounds more like we have politicians than game managers. Defenders of wildlife web site on WDFW site, does anyone remember the Game Department?
Kain:
Great letter. I hope to hear a lot more like this. They have funded their agenda on the backs of hunters and fishers the whole time they were compromising away our heritage. It would be like the last part of "Alice's Restaurant" :chuckle: :chuckle:
--- Quote ---You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both *censored*s and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.
And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
guitar.
--- End quote ---
Its the Hunt-WA anti-WDFW Status Quo Movement. And all you got to do to join is write a nasty email. :chuckle: :chuckle:
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