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brutus1:
We all need to voice our concerns to the game dept.We pay the same amount of money with less time to hunt. Deer and ELK at the same time is a joke. Late season deer hunts suck unless you have access to private land.

Bookworm:
I've had some pretty good success in the late hunt down along the columbia. It is usually dependant on getting enough snow to get them to migrate but not too much so that you cant get around.

robodad:
brutus1,

wouldn't that be nice to see them open a state wide late ML deer season for 4 days over the weekend before rifle late season ??

I'm sure it would just piss off the other user groups though !!

Yep it kind of sucks to pay the same to play but get far less time, but I guess that is what is keeping the user participation down some.

I just wish they would eliminate the "Special Draw Tags" that overlap with other users. I had a Winston cow tag this last year 07 and had to hunt with the general archery guys and it sucked, those guys must have thought I was a piece of crap for having a gun in the archery woods. If I was hunting archery I wouldn't want to see any body with a gun, it is also kind of unfair to them to unleash a bunch of hunters with guns into the archery woods in my opinion.

I'll never put in for another tag that puts me in the woods with another user group, it is just plain stupid IMO !!

I think I'll bring this up in another thread and see what others think about it, maybe it is just me that thinks it sucks.

bobcat:

--- Quote from: robodad on February 22, 2008, 08:16:21 AM ---I just wish they would eliminate the "Special Draw Tags" that overlap with other users. I had a Winston cow tag this last year 07 and had to hunt with the general archery guys and it sucked, those guys must have thought I was a piece of crap for having a gun in the archery woods. If I was hunting archery I wouldn't want to see any body with a gun, it is also kind of unfair to them to unleash a bunch of hunters with guns into the archery woods in my opinion.

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All those extra muzzleloader elk permits were new this year due to the plan to reduce the st. helens elk herd. I didn't apply for any permit that overlapped with any other general season, whether it was archery or muzzleloader. If I draw a special permit I don't want to be hunting during a general season that's open to anybody with a tag. But I wouldn't fault the WDFW. This is bound to happen especially with people like you demanding more muzzleloader opportunities, and at the same time the archery hunters are adamant in not giving up anything. If you think about it, the 60 Winston muzzleloader permits is a relatively small number when there are probably at least 1000 archery hunters hunting the Winston unit at the same time. So I doubt if it affected the archery guys much. And for the muzzleloader hunters, they knew or should have known the permit season was at the same time as general archery when they applied for the permit.

So how did you do? Did you see any elk?

robodad:
Yeah I seen a few but it was only when I was driving from one place to another and they were running hard with tongue's hanging and tripping on stuff, you could tell that they were being pushed hard.

The way I see it is since the areas have been open for general season for a user group and they were not able to get the job done then open it up to a different user group, maybe they will have better success.

I would have had no problem if the area was open to general late season ML 3pt or better and 60 cow tags, but to have to hunt with the archery guys was hard.

You may be right in that by me being there it didn't affect the archery guys much but almost everyone I ran into it went like this :

"Hey hows it going, fine and you ? What are you doing in here with a muzzleloader ? Well I have a permit to be here. Ah well you better look at the regulations and make sure cause you are not supposed to be here. So I show them the permit and I get " That is such *censored*" and they walk off"

Just sort of made me feel like crap even though I had the same right to be there as they did, so I didn't hunt the places I wanted to for fear of running into another PO hunter, see what I mean.

These seasons should never overlap and if the game dept wants to have the ML permit holders hunting in an area then they need to have an emergency closure for the other user groups. and the same goes for the others, if there is a permit season going on then it should be only permit holders hunting.

It is somewhat my fault like you say, I should have realized that the general season would be going on when I applied. That will never happen again I assure you !!!

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