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Archery hunters being phased out...
boneaddict:
Good points.
Maybe they figure there are already late hunt oppurtunities for archery guys, so they don't necessarily need to have special permit hunts. :dunno:
bobcat:
--- Quote from: Holg3107 on April 16, 2010, 09:12:02 AM ---I really don't think that the success rates are very valid in this discusson. If you analyze it a bit more you will notice that the overall 2008 harvest statistics have archery at 9.5% and have modern at 8.5%. Pretty sure a 1% difference is within the standard deviation.also there is a huge difference in success rates of special permit hunts.
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Yes, the success rate I quoted was for general seasons, which is when the majority of elk are killed anyway. 6.2% for modern firearm and 9.1% for archery is fairly significant, I would say.
rougheye:
--- Quote from: Holg3107 on April 16, 2010, 09:12:02 AM ---I really don't think that the success rates are very valid in this discusson. If you analyze it a bit more you will notice that the overall 2008 harvest statistics have archery at 9.5% and have modern at 8.5%. Pretty sure a 1% difference is within the standard deviation.also there is a huge difference in success rates of special permit hunts. Moderns are always at least 2x as successful as the archers. That tells me that the season dates have little validity in saying that archers are more successful base on the fact that they hunt the rut. What it says is that archers tend to have a higher percentage of experienced hunters. Many times it has come up that the same 5% of hunters kill 90% of the animals.
While I agree that the newer archery equipment makes it easier to hold an arrow for longer and has definitely made it possible to have more success you still have to be within 50 yds (yes i know people shoot animals at 60+ but that is rare). what the technology has done is allowed more people to get into archery and have the potential to harvest an animal with a bow that with the old equipment they would not have had that opportunity. :twocents:
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I agree . Any bowhunter on here knows that shooting is just a small piece of the puzzle . The multi season permits are a joke IMO . Hundreds of archers out there that are not dedicated bowmen and you should be dedicated to archery hunt .
adam.WI:
--- Quote from: bobcat on April 16, 2010, 09:21:25 AM ---
--- Quote from: Holg3107 on April 16, 2010, 09:12:02 AM ---I really don't think that the success rates are very valid in this discusson. If you analyze it a bit more you will notice that the overall 2008 harvest statistics have archery at 9.5% and have modern at 8.5%. Pretty sure a 1% difference is within the standard deviation.also there is a huge difference in success rates of special permit hunts.
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Yes, the success rate I quoted was for general seasons, which is when the majority of elk are killed anyway. 6.2% for modern firearm and 9.1% for archery is fairly significant, I would say.
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My thoughts would be there are a lot more people hunting modern that never get out of there truck. To say archery hunters are better hunters is crap, but with that said not many people buy an archery tag with the intent to drive around and shoot one of the road. Not to point fingers at any one but that is what a fair number of modern hunters do.
STIKNSTRINGBOW:
I was going to say a lot of things that have already been said, I agree that we need to quit arguing about season disparity, and who uses what.
In my honest opinion, the reason for lack of "special permits", for Archery has more to do with $$$$$ than anything else, The largest percentage of licence buyers/permit applicants are modern firearm users, second comes archery (a change from the past) and Muzzle-loaders are the smallest user group.
Muzzle loaders have the shortest season, but they actually do get the better part of the rut (especially on the west side) and the main reason for their permits is to allow the WDFW to control WHAT they harvest, by controlling numbers of permit holders (kind of like a quota system)
The lack of special permits for archery has more to do with opportunity, I mean when we already have antlerless hunts in 3 point minimum areas, what kind of permit would we want ?
As far as East-side, and "quality" hunts...I think we are getting robbed, but again it is about $$$, the WDFW definitely takes into account HOW MANY SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS CAN THEY SELL, I mean, why sell a few hundred applications, when you can sell THOUSANDS ?
It is unfortunate that our WDFW is in the business of providing jobs, more than opportunity, but this is Washington, we have more hunters than game, more private land than public, and more restrictive rules than any other western state.
Things are probably going to get worse before they get better, but if you look at our historical harvests, as far as TOTALS, NOT PERCENTAGES, you will notice that it is pretty even, if not improving.
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